Talk:Soviet submarine K-129 (Golf II)

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Contents 1 "Soviet" 2 NPOV??? 3 Sewell's "Red Star Rogue" 4 Administative Inconsistencies 5 Anyone Read "Scorpion Down"?

[edit] "Soviet"

This article contains several references to meetings with, positions of, etc, the "Soviet Navy" or "Soviet Union" in 1992 and later years, long after the USSR dissolved.

[edit] NPOV???

Yeah. Citing US sources on a cold war incident involving a possible collision between a Soviet sub and a US sub. I've got no idea where to find more (non-US) sources on this, but I encourage anyone who does to edit this article.

I have done some digging on this topic, and the Russian version is officially a snorkeling accident, and unofficially that the US did it and is covering it up. Only thing missing is any documentation to show either to be accurate. Until the CIA opens the related files, we're not going to know much more. Just a picture, or pictures, of the sub on the ocean floor would probably illuminate the situation immeasurably. Wish the CIA would declassify at least those, as they shouldn't impact anyone's security (or perhaps the answers to the open questions would?) Aki Korhonen 04:37, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

There is a personal account (sorry, in Russian) on this story [1] by Anatoly Shtyrov, who presumably was deputy head of intelligence of Pacific Fleet of USSR at the time (from middle of 70s, according to text). If you need any help with Russian, I can spend some time to help with translation. silpol 21:15, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sewell's "Red Star Rogue"

The Project Jennifer article in wikipedia has shown us how to isolate Sewell's conspiracy theory from the history of the K-129 event. Please refer to the discussion page of that article for the reasoning behind what is sure to be a controversial edit that I'm about to make to this article.

Gwyncann 22:09, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Administative Inconsistencies

The newly added section, Alternative explination theory doesn't have proper spelling or grammatical format. I usually don't agree with such criticism but it also appears to be placed in the wrong area and is missing citations of any kind. I hesitate to summarily delete it, but I can't see that it provides anything more than an unverifiable conspiracy theory. So, I'm passing the buck and seeing if someone else will do something about it.

Mentor397 04:45, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

I removed the conspiracy theory ramblings at the end of the section, and add citation tags for the bullet points in the first half of the section. I would suggest that most of rest of the section be deleted if sufficient sources can't be found. the_raptor 08:51, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Anyone Read "Scorpion Down"?

I had the opportunity to peruse a book "Scorpion Down" that triangultes between the sinking of the K-129, the capture of the USS Pueblo (AGER-2) by the North Koreans and leakage of crypto keys by the John Anthony Walker ring as causes that resulted in the possible retaliation by the Russian Navy in the sinking of the USS Scorpion (SSN-589). Has anyone read this book in detail and can you post citations from it in the "Mutual agreement - some connection between K-129 and the loss of USS Scorpion" section?

Marathi_Mulgaa (talk) 20:05, 3 May 2008 (UTC)