Talk:Soviet Census (1937)
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[edit] Translation?
Can the table be translated? PS. Few more comments: get we get full name for the people who are now red linked and have only initials, and wo you think TsUNKhU is notable?-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 05:14, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Absolutely great
This article is just absolutely great, so hilarious and depressing at the same time. Great work! --Drieakko 17:10, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
Who really needs to know this idiotism about russian stupidity??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.56.99.59 (talk • contribs) 17:41, July 1, 2007
[edit] NKVD "brave"?
Says who? Please edit this passage to make it NPOV. 85.227.226.149 19:02, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
- It's in a quote... Savidan 20:10, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] POV issue- is this propaganda?
Can anybody translate the poster? Is it really fair to describe it as propaganda? This word has quite a strong meaning and I suspect it is being used unfairly. It isn't just a catch-all term for any literature published by the Stalinist Soviet Union! It kinda looks like a public information poster.Alun 21:13, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
According to, uh, Wikipedia, "propaganda" had this meaning in the Soviet Union at the time: "Soviet propaganda meant dissemination of revolutionary ideas, teachings of Marxism, and theoretical and practical knowledge of Marxist economics, while agitation meant forming favorable public opinion and stirring up political unrest. These activities did not carry negative connotations (as they usually do in English) and were encouraged." --Piers Fletcher 22:50, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks for the, uh, sarcastic response, but that doesn't answer the question. The fact is that propaganda nowadays does carry negative connotations and therefore it should be term avoided unless the article is propaganda. I still don't know what the poster says and therefore I find the 'propaganda' claim dubious. The strongest claim would be under the "dissemination of ... practical knowledge of Marxist economics". This is extremely tenuous. I suggest that this really means educating people about the tenets of Marxism, not informing them of individual schemes. Ask yourself this: if there was a poster advertising a census in, say, the UK, in what way could you refer to that poster as propaganda?
Sorry - the "uh" wasn't meant to be sarcastic, just an acknowledgement of the self-referential use of a wiki source to justify a wiki edit. Anyhoo, you may be right for all I know; the word "propaganda" doesn't carry the negative connotation you refer to to my ear, but maybe that's just me. (For me, it just means a governmental urging of a particular POV, eg if they ran an ad telling us not to use mobile phones while driving, that would surely qualify). Piers Fletcher 11:02, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
It's not propaganda poster – it's ordinary information poster for public at which showed the census bulletins, mentioned the dates on which interviewer(s) will come to make an enumerations (three times).
[edit] Total truth
One more perfect examples of Total truth.
Stated: census results were destroyed. Census results does not exist at all from thr beginning – proceeding of preliminary obtained data was stopped at march 1937. The existed information was classified as secret and remains as it from 1938 till 1989.
M.V. Kurman in his remembrances recorded at 60-s gives a statements of possible 1,4-1,7 mln of under enumerated persons.
Importance of the census data
Which importance may have preliminary, never processed and known for under enumeratation data?
Nevertheless results of 1937 Census shows :"… As compared with 1926 the population increased on 15 mln – 10,2% or 1% of annual increase . That’s figures shows what population increased in USSR in much higher amount then in Great Britain ( 0,36% average for last 9 years – from 1927 till 1935, Germany (0,58%). France (0.11%), and US (average for 1930-1934). It's close to Italian one (1,02%) and less then in Japan (1.37%)."
Any "regime victims" for GB?
