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In order to properly expand and rewrite the article on the Soviet Army Ground Forces, I'm splitting away an article on the Soviet Armed Forces as a whole. Any help's appreciated. Buckshot06 23:14, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Confusing introduction

The introduction is just perplexing.

The Military of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics was the Armed Forces of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics from their establishment, before the USSR itself was formed, by the Bolsheviks during the Russian Civil War in 1918, to the collapse of the Soviet Union in December 1991.

I just can't tell what this is saying. From whose establishment? How could it be the armed forces of the USSR before the USSR was formed?

According to the compulsory service law of September 1918, the Soviet Armed Forces as a whole consisted of the Ground Forces, the Air Forces, naval forces, the OGPU, predecessor of the KGB and MVD, and convoy guards.[1]

Impossible to parse. Which was the predecessor of the KGB and MVD, and convoy guards—the Soviet Armed Forces or the OGPU? Or was the convoy guards the fifth element of the Soviet Armed Forces? Why are some of these capitalized and some not?

Later the state security apparatus was made independent.

Is the "state security apparatus" the Armed Forces or the OGPU? What was it made independent from?

After the Second World War the Strategic Rocket Forces and the Air Defense Forces were added, standing first and third in the official Soviet reckoning of comparative importance (with the Ground Forces being second, the Air Forces being fourth, and the Navy fifth).

Were these existing organizations which were added to the "Armed Forces", or were they created after WWII? —Michael Z. 2007-08-05 06:35 Z

[edit] new structure proposal

Here it is

• 1 Legacy, origins and history

1.1 Russian Civil War

1.2 Party Control of the Armed Forces

1.3 Polish-Soviet War

1.4 Under Stalin's control

1.5 Far East

1.6 Purges

1.7 Great Patriotic War (separate article)

• • Red Army during the Great Patriotic War

1.1 The Scope of the War

1.2 The Polish Campaign

1.3 The Finnish Campaigns

1.4 1st period of GPW

1.5 2nd Period of GPW

1.6 3rd Period of GPW

1.7 The Manchurian Campaign

1.8 post-war Soviet Armed Forces (separate article for Cold War)

1.9 The Korean War

1.10 The Vietnam War

1.11 Foreign military assistance

1.12 The limited contingent in Afghanistan

Transition from Soviet Army to Armed forces of the Russian Federation and former Soviet republics in a separate article

• 2 Military doctrine (as a process of learning from history)

2.1 Deep Operations

2.2 Stalin's "eagles" (the rise, destruction and rise of the Red Air forces)

2.3 Operational Manoeuvre Groups

2.4 Gorshkov's Navy

2.5 The Strategic Nuclear Forces

• 3 Organisation (organising for the doctrines)

3.1 Higher command structure

3.2 Administrative structure and Rear Services

3.3 Arms of Service, Service Corps and command establishments

3.4 Peace and Wartime field structures (links to articles on organisation of formations and units)

3.5 Post-GPW changes

3.6 Post-Stalinist changes

3.7 "Nuclear battlefield" impact

• 4 Personnel

4.1 Rank structure

4.2 General Staff

4.3 Military education

4.4 Officers and enlisted personnel

4.5 Armed Forces culture

• 5 Weapons and equipment (developing the equipment for the personnel)

(Links to equipment articles by Arm of Service)

5.1 Ground Forces

5.2 Air Forces

5.3 Soviet Navy

5.3 Ministry of Internal Affairs

5.4 Strategic Rocket Forces

5.5 Air Defense Forces

• 6 Desolution of the Soviet Armed Forces
• 7 Further reading
• 8 See also
• 9 References

--mrg3105 (comms) ♠♥♦♣ 01:37, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] why are there two of the same articels?

there is this article and then there is an article called "the red army" that is the same thing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.157.251.230 (talk) 17:41, 21 May 2008 (UTC)