Talk:Southwell, Nottinghamshire

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[edit] The BRAMLEY APPLE

Some confusion arises here in Southwell when this term is used. It refers to the apple of course, the tree from which it comes is still in existence and still bears fruit and is not lost to the pub of the same name The Bramley Apple as mentioned in the Southwell entry. The pub the Bramley Apple was re-named some years ago and is still known by a few of the older generation as The George and Dragon. The third Bramley Apple is the local free-sheet newspaper (published monthly) a well respected local newspaper. Ron Wood (www.Southwell-Online.co.uk)

Why does Hampshire County Council think that the Bramley apple came from Bramley, Hampshire? http://www.hants.gov.uk/localpages/north_east/tadley/bramley/ Other sources say the tree's owner was called Matthew Bramley, eg: http://www.treecouncil.org.uk/tws/GBTPress%20Release.htm

[edit] Pronunciation

The pronunciation of Southwell has been described as a subject of debate since Southwell oldid=6906797.

I think that this is not the case at all. Southwell is pronounced suth-ell.

I base this assertion on the fact that I have lived in south Nottinghamshire for some time and I have never ever heard a local person use any other pronunciation, and that I have often heard people correct others, saying that other pronunciations are simply wrong.

It is certainly worth including the pronunciation, and pointing out that people who first come across the name by reading it rather than hearing it often get it wrong, but I think the current article isn't accurate.

The history of the pronunciation (and how it came to differ from the speling) is still interesting and worth including.

Anyone else care to comment? Are there any local people who say south-well and refuse to accept this "correction"?

TomViza 16:36, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

I have lived in Southwell for a number of years, and count myself among a large proportion of people, quite possibly a majority, pronouncing it South-well. It is most certainly still a subject of debate, and I must say a far larger proportion of people actually living there pronounce it thus than elsewhere Cdyson37 (T) 23:37, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

I think some of the confusion surrounding the correct pronounciation might arise from the fact that there is also Norwell, which, unsurprisingly, is situated to the northeast of Southwell.

This might not seem very important, but it is at least something worthy of consideration. If only because that these two wells had a fairly large part to play in the establishment of the Minster Church at Southwell. ( The southern well producing the purer water (Probably) )

I was born and brought up in Southwell (1951-1969) and only ever heard it pronounced Suthell. Of course, newer residents who don't know any better might pronounce it South-well. As for Norwell - that was only ever pronounced Nor'l, which is consistent with the pronunciation of Southwell I'm familiar with. DrJohnBrooke 15:50, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

I would also argue with the Bramley apple being noted for its sweet taste, as it is a cooking apple and (at least from our tree in Southwell) was always incredibly tart... DrJohnBrooke 15:56, 4 April 2007 (UTC)