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[edit] Notable,what?

I think someone should delete the paragraph titled notable songs. First because it really misses notable songs and there are some that nobody would ever to expect But mainly because it's only an opinion, nothing more, based an author tastes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.51.15.20 (talk) 12:03, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sweet Home Alabama

Also Lynyrd Skynyrd's "Sweet Home Alabama" (1973), why widely perceived as a 'redneck anthem'...also makes it clear that not all white southerners approved of George Wallace's views.

How so? It's pro-Wallace, contrasting Wallace, who had run for president, to Nixon, then involved in the Watergate scandal. Josh Cherry 16:23, 18 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Given that Ronnie Van Zandt said, "We wrote Alabama as a joke. We didn't even think about it-the words just came out that way. We just laughed like hell, and said 'Ain't that funny'..." I think it is a bit presumptuous to say it is either pro- or anti-Wallace.
OK, so do you agree that the article shouldn't say that it makes it clear that not all white southerners approved of George Wallace's views? Josh Cherry 16:51, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Sorry I forgot to sign my previous post. Yes, I would agree with that. Holford 20:39, 21 Sep 2004 (UTC)


Is their a real need to have proof that skynyrd his an influence on kid rock who said their need to be a citation isnt it obvious he covers most of their catalog in concerts for god sakes and if isnt wearing his wifebeater hes wearing either a skynyrd or a seger shirt.

[edit] Cleanup

I've completed the cleanup requested of this article. Wasted Time R 20:20, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Blues Rock, Country Rock and Southern Rock

Discusion below copied from Talk:Country rock:

Is there any meaningful difference between "country rock" and Southern rock? Tuf-Kat 06:12, Sep 27, 2004 (UTC)

Yeah. Country rock is a lot more country. Gram Parsons is country rock, Lynryd Skynyrd are Southern rock. They don't sound all that similar. Naturally there's a crossover : Little Feat, Commander Cody et al. Country rock tends to be song and vocal based -- country songs with a rockier arrangement, Southern Rock are mainly rock songs with a countrified arrangement and harmony. Southern rock thinks nothing of filling entire sides of a double album with instrumental jams (Hey, the Allman Brothers Band, this means YOU!)

Southern Rock is arguably a fusion of country rock with blues rock, with a lyrical emphasis on Southern culture. Of course, all three subgenres are diverse and tend to overlap. Heck, the Marshall Tucker Band was countrier than most of what gets played on country radio these days. Just my 2¢. Archola 01:03, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

I believe all three of these "sub-genres" tended to split more by the late 70's. To me, "Country Rock" and "Southern Rock" are interchangeable. The modern belief about the difference between "Country" and "Southern" is that Southern is harder edged, while Country is lighter. Another argument I've heard is that Country Rock is "Southern Rock that's not from the South." However, in the beginning days of Poco (A Georgia band whom I consider quintessential Southern Rock, and the start of it all), it was known as "Roots Rock." Roots Rock purposely avoided the psychadelic Frisco/Liverpool sound of the time, and is a mixture of country, blues, and Rock n' Roll. California bands CCR, CSNY, The Byrds, & The Grateful Dead all jumped in on it, and Roots Rock was born. I honestly cannot tell the difference between Country Rock and Southern Rock (and differentiating types of music due to their amp volume is ridiculous), so I just refer to it all as "Southern Rock". They all jam the same, and are just as easy to get into. Rock on! X24actor (talk) 21:03, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

The earlier you go, the harder it is to differentiate between these three sub-genres. The Allman Brothers, an essental Southern Rock band, sounds just like blues-rock. The Marshal Tucker Band, as someone said previoulsy, sounds more like Country than most country today. I like to merge it all into the Southern Rock category, and not think to hard about the minimal differences. Allman Brothers, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Tom Petty, Poco, The Band, Creedence, JJ Cale, Dr. John, Fats Domino, Charlie Daniels, Marshall Tucker, The Doobs. Even though these guys aren't all from the South, I still think of them as "Southern Rock". X24actor (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 21:27, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Tom Petty

Do 'Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers' deserve to be listed in this article? It sounds like Southern rock to me and he is from Gainesville, FL.

I'd say not - he shows trace influences, but only in random moments and I'm not sure how influential he's been in turn (on that subgenre, I mean). I think it's probably a case of his being from the South, so his music is accidentally Southern-flavored at times, but it's not his 'thing' to do Southern Rock.
No. Petty is hard to categorize, and he is featured in Heartland rock, but Southern rock is a real stretch. Wasted Time R 23:34, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
I consider Tom Petty quintessential Southern Rock. My family hails from the south, so I know a lot about the Rock and Roll culture. His music is certainly not accidentally Southern-flavored. He's a rebel and proud of it, but he also happens to be a hippie. His music definately has a distict Florida sound to it, and when you mix Southern Rock with Florida & hippies, you get Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers. There was a period in the late 80's/early 90's when you could argue that a lot of his hits lack that basic "southernness". But overall, Southern roots music is his thing. Just ask him. Even if it's hard to categorize Tom Petty, it's easy to accept his music as Southern Rock since that's what most of it sounds like. X24actor 20:29, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] ZZ Top

Someone reverted my edit back to: One notable exception was Texas' ZZ Top, who had started in 1970 and were the final band mentioned in "The South's Gonna Do It". I corrected that it wasn't the last band mentioned in the song, "The South's Gonna Do It," because Wet Willie and CDB (that counts too) were mentioned after. Didgepenguin

"Final band mentioned" means here it was the last band in the song that we're discussing in this article, not that it was the last band in the song's lyrics. Wasted Time R 18:42, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
That cant be- unless it's written incorrectly. If what your saying is true, it should say: "One notable exception was Texas' ZZ Top, who had started in 1970 and were mentioned in "The South's Gonna Do It". It is an odd sentence anyway, one not worth the confusion. Didgepenguin
I've changed the wording in the article, see if it's clearer now. Wasted Time R 17:10, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

During a 2006 Clearwater, Florida ZZ Top concert Billy Gibbons was heard to say "The same three guys...right here...The same three cords...right here...And we been doing it for 35 years". Karstdiver 05:44, 1 October 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Notable Bands?

I restored mentions of Marshall Tucker as a continuing southern rock group and Dickey Betts & Great Southern as a new southern rock group. Both were removed by someone saying they are "non-notable". A band with MT's history and perserverance is certainly notable. And if the Greg Allman/Allman Brothers band is notable then a band formed by the former lead gutarist (Betts) is also notable.

During a 2005 St. Petersburg, Florida Ribfest concert I heard Dickey thank the audience for "comming out and supporting southern rock".

A band's notablity is subjective but the above reasons for restoring MT and Betts' should pass even a broad definintion of being notable or not. --Karstdiver 01:48, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Allman Brothers Band at Wanee Music Festival 2007

The Allman Brothers Band is scheduled to play the Wanee Music Festival, Live Oak, Florida on 13,14-April-2007. See http://www.waneefestival.com/wanee_bands.html Karstdiver 00:38, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Death and Texas

DaT is stated as a southern metal band, but they have no wiki page and the link sends you to a King Of The Hill episode... Yeah... (-Kid. 17:03, 29 March 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Not Eagles

Just to clarify, the Eagles are not Southern Rock, they are a Country Rock band.

[edit] Metal Genre

I think the sections should stay, I'll clean it up a little, remove dead links and bands that aren't of sourthern metal or even southern rock influence. If you want to add another band you think would fit the genre make sure that they actually do fit the genre. (-Kid. 12:16, 21 May 2007 (UTC)) Anyway yeah, don't just add a bunch of new bands. I picked some of the bands that seemed most appropriate. If you think we should make a list of all the southernmetal and southernrock influenced bands, just start a new wikipage of a list of them.


I hate to tell y'all, but Blackfoot started Southern Metal around the time of the Marauder and Siogo albums. They were in metal magazines in Britain back then. I remember. They were HUGE with metal guys in Britain back then.

You have to remember the times. Back then AC-DC and the Scorpions were considered metal. Blackfoot toured with them and gleaned new sounds to add to Southern Rock. LUKEjaywalker 10:47, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Sounds good, put it in ^.^;; haha that sounds dirty (-Kid. 04:18, 30 May 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Genre Infobox

Any problem with it? Or is it a good enough guide for the Southern Rock genre? Silas619 02:44, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Southern Metal = OR?

Is it me or is "southern metal" a completely original neologism? A quick Google search brings mostly results concerning metal spinners, choppers, fabricators, etc. I would consider deleting the entire section, for there are no reliable sources whatsoever that attest the existence and notability of that movement. Zouavman Le Zouave 15:56, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Clean up

Removed the metal section, it's original research and is really off topic here. Also removed the song section, it was just a list of random songs. If you can't add something tot he prose that's a pretty good sign it's not needed in the article. Ridernyc (talk) 02:12, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] nantucket

nantucket is a southern rock band from north carolina . —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dixierooster (talk • contribs) 06:18, 21 February 2008 (UTC)