Talk:Southern Agrarians

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Contents 1 Same text? 2 Fascism 3 Needs more citations/references 4 Southern Agrarians vs. Lost Cause of the Confederacy

[edit] Same text?

I found the same text under following address:

http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Southern-Agrarians

whats that?

Karl —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.75.187.135 (talk • contribs) (11:46, 23 November 2003)

They copy our text under the GFDL. It's all legit. - Hephaestos 12:07, 23 Nov 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Fascism

I hope someone with more knowledge of this movement than I can add more material to balance out the connections this group had with fascism. From reading Robert Warren's All the King's Men, and more recent authors who align themselves with this movement (Peter Taylor & Wendell Berry), I know that there humanistic elements in this movement: one cannot miss the sympathetic portrayal of characters in Taylor's short stories, nor the sense of community in farming communities that Berry's essays celebrate. -- llywrch 16:48, 24 Apr 2004 (UTC)

There's an article online, a review of a 2001 book The Rebuke of History, published by UNC Press, about the Agrarians that gives a fuller account. --Parkwells 16:59, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

As Peter Taylor usually wrote about people in cities and towns, I don't think he was much aligned with the Agrarians. His writing did not seem to long for or idealize an agrarian past, although he did write about people at a time of social change. --Parkwells (talk) 00:23, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Needs more citations/references

This article needs citations to back up references to critics and commentators on the writings. Near the end, the article notes certain scholars have made a re-appraisal of "I'll Take My Stand", but doesn't say what they concluded.--Parkwells 16:46, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

An editor has reverted my edits, but added no references to support statements in the article, nor added any fuller conclusions to scholars' supposed "second look" at I'll Take My Stand. The article is poorly supported.--Parkwells 21:18, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

The Agrarians repeatedly denounced fascism and (esp Davidson) distrusted the New Deal because they thought it was too similar to fascism. Fascism at this time meant Germany and Italy, with special emphasis on modern technology (the trains ran on time in Italy, Mussolini boasted), and Hitler was notorious for his very advanced air force.) Fascists built up industry as fast as they could, which was the opposite of the Agrarian position. There is no source for the claim that the Agrarians read 19th century Germany Volkish literature--they never referred to it in "Take my Stand". There was one Agrarian (Collins) who later came to admire fascism, and the other Agrarians distrusted him for that reason. The Agrarians never endorsed Ezra Pound, the American poet who did support fascism. Wiki drops unsupported speculation and original research, espe with a heavy POV flavor. Rjensen (talk) 02:12, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree - the claims of admiration for Fascism didn't conform to anything I had read about the Agrarians.--Parkwells (talk) 13:49, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Southern Agrarians vs. Lost Cause of the Confederacy

How did the Southern Agrarians relate to the so-called "Lost Cause of the Confederacy", and what were there views on slavery and Reconstruction? 195.73.22.130 (talk) 15:19, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Asking someone to do your homework for you? ---RepublicanJacobite_{The'FortyFive'} 17:16, 15 December 2007 (UTC)