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[edit] Regional identity

I'm a new member of this wikipedia thing and first off I would like to apologise if I've become a "vandal" or undone anyones efforts, I'm the one responcible for the attempted adding of detail to the pie Ages section in south shields history and also adding a bit about cleadon hills to the Geography section. Some of the facts I added in these parts I looked up in books and online but having read all the tutorials on how to add references I'm at a loss for how its done. No doubt I'll be excommunicated for not giving sources for my efforts. On the regional identity discussion I would state that I am a native of South Shields and would agree that we are Geordie and sand dancer. I think it comes down to accent. Accent changes every few miles, people from Sunderland pronounce certain words differently to someone from Tyneside and hense they are Mackems "wees keeys are theese keeys" etc while sand dancer is slightly different to Geordie proper, for example a Geordie from newcastle would say "Divn't de that" while a Sand Dancer would say "Dain't de that". Flip84 (Oct 2007)

I have been engaged in something of an edit war with Lawsonrob - he seems unwilling to countenance what I - as a native of Shields - and the overwhelming majority of people I know who have a view on the matter - consider to be the truth. Namely, that all Tynesiders are Geordies. I have heard people claim otherwise but frankly I think it is nonsense. However, because I have encountered the erroneous view put forward by this chap before and because he is so insistent on including it, that in itself is evidence of dispute so I have incorporated his wording in a slightly longer section. For the record, I can't see how he can claim that those born within site and smell of the Tyne somehow aren't Geordies considering (1) contemporary usage and (2) the likely origins of term "Geordie". --213.121.207.34 09:44, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

  • I thought the version you revised was a compromise. Still, fair enough. As a fellow native of South Shields, I am proud to be a Sandancer and stand by the original article, but your re-writing is an acceptable balance. What I actually said was that some people claim Geordie's are from the north of the river, not that it is a definitive fact. Finally, I could hardly have vandalised this section of the article, since it was me that wrote it in the first place. Just a note though, if you are a regular user, please consider registering. I wasn't aware I'd been having an "edit war" with you as your changes appeared under at least three different IP addresses. Lawsonrob
I prefer Geordie TBH King nothing 20:10, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Addition: I am not a registered user just yet, but I thought an inaccuracy needed to be corrected. The term Geordie has never applied to the whole of the North East. I am from South Shields but I don't live there any more. I still live in the North East, but I now live in the Cleveland area. I think I can safely say that 100% of the indiginous population in this area do not consider themselves as Geordie, and although the accent sounds very similar and shares words from the Geordie dialect, it notably has North Yorkshire influence. 29 March 2007.

I have some friends in Shields and they are followers of Sunderland AFC, would this not put them in the 'Mackem' bracket ? - i think it would be fair to say that these people are a sizable minority and may be worthy of a mention. gazh 11:04 04 Apr 07

If I live in Mongolia and support Manchester United, does this make me a Mancunian? Lawsonrob
And for what reason does football come into this? Glenn Scott 12:35, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
Well done Lawsonrob, very clever man. I was making a valid point and i think Football is relevant to modern classification to people in the North-east, being a geordie is not based or ethnics or race afterall. I would love someone to have an attempt at a proper definition. I for one do not see the people of Shields as Geordies and almost all the people i've spoken with about this agree. gazh 14:04, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
Have you spoke to anyone in Shields or is this just the assumption you mackems are makeing?? Glenn Scott 11:56, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
Ofcourse i've spoken to people from Shields, and the results are posted above, i'm not saying they all see themselves as Mackems (the worlds elite), but some of them do - and almost everyone i've asked do not claim to be Geordie. -gazh 13:20, 3 May 2997 (UTC)
I have to disagree. I was born in Shields and have lived here all of my life. I class myself as a sandancer, however i would also class myself to some extent as a geordie as I believe that all Tynesiders are geordies just as all Wearsiders are mackems. It sould like a simple rule to me; Tyneside = Geordie, Wearside = Mackem. This would make sandancer a sort of 'subdivision' of geordie. Now please don't take offence at this, but, in my experiance the only people from shields who class themselves as mackems are Sunderland supporters. And i'm not even going to get into this stupid idea some people have that Shields is Wearside!! lol. Glenn Scott 14:02, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
I doubt anyone would say Shields is on Wearside, although i'd hazard a guess that as far down as your Golfcourse - could arguably be closer to the Wear, as is Boldon and Whitburn which are technically 'Tyneside', the accents in those parts arn't the same as ours though. I think it's all relative in many respects, it's easy to say this is that, and this line defines this, it doesn't mean that people are going to agree to it though. gazh 10:44, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
I was born and raised in Shields(till I joined RN at 19, though went back as often as I could). I lived in 4 houses in South Shields all were within a quarter of a mile of the Tyne, as a child I played on the river, during my senior school years I bunked off to work on the river when I left school I worked on the river. I'm most definately a Geordie! although I'm a Sanddancer too.

Very true; I'm a born and bred Sanddancer. My Dad was from Jarrow and my Mam was from Sunderland but I'm neither a Geordie or a Makkem. Geordies are self-obsessed and insecure to the point of violence. Makkems are self-loathing, bitter and hate everyone who achieves more thn them (which is everyone). South Shields is the garden spot of Tyne and Wear; we are class. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.90.232.145 (talk) 13:06, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Yemeni Community

The article mentions race riots. Are these really relevant to the article? Surely it can only be relevant if it can be cited that the riots happened in South Shields.

  • It is cited, read the article [1]

[edit] Wouldhave

we need a better section on the invention of the lifeboat here

[edit] How many?

Currently I see "It has a population of about 90,000" and then two paragraphs down, "Now it is a town of over a 100,000 people of many ethnic backgrounds."

Fastest population growth I've ever known :)

I can't find an official figure so I was unable to just fix it.

Telsa 14:12, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)


I am a native of the town and have tidied the entry up a bit, adding one or two brief points. The map shows Newcastle, rather than South Shields which is right on the coast. I'm not too sure what to do about this.

Bandalore 01.30, 10 June 2005

I've added some industrial history for context, plus a bit about the world wars.

Bandalore 18.11, 10 October 2005

No metion of Gypsy's Green (and it's migrant population). No metion of Mr Winterbottom either. Apart from that, fairly decent entry. Ed Fortune

Mr Winterbottom is now in. The caption of the first picture should read King Street (and Metro bridge).

Bandalore 00. 59 2 May 2006

Whoever has sung the praises of Harton Technological "Collage" could they please post a photo of said collage and the name of the artist, oh and the Lawe Top hasnt been "mint" since the Turk's Head closed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.139.125.10 (talk) 14:42, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] South Shields FC

I have added information about our town's premier football club. I will update this as events happen. Please feel free to improve this!

[edit] Unreferenced tag

I added this and Lawsonrob has twice removed it. The article does not cite a single source. It needs sources. --SandyDancer 22:54, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Lawsonrob continues to do the same, though to be fair I suppose it is as much up to me as any other editor to come up with sources. I am going to do so and will be dumping a few links below that I hope will provide sources for content of the article.

I've started adding sources - one to politics, three to Yemeni community section. If others would do the same it would be helpful. --SandyDancer 18:43, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Counties

I have reverted edits by Alexander Howard, as I believe that South Shields is in South Tyneside (Metropolitan Borough) and is very much within Tyne and Wear, that still exists. South Shields is not a unitary authority and hasn't been since 1974, when it became part of South Tyneside, the latter may be seen as unitary. Anybody who disagrees please revert this edit.Glenn Scott 13:26, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

I concure. South Tyneside is a metropolitan borough, not a unitary authority - although the practical distinction may be small. Similarly T&W still exists as a metropolitan county, even if the county council has long gone. DrFrench 13:52, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Removal of {{fact}} tags

There are a number of uncited claims in this article and the {{fact}} tags are constantly being removed. A couple of examples;

  • Most residents of South Shields identify themselves as "Geordie", a term commonly associated with all residents of North East England. If you want to claim that a) most South Shields residents identify themselves as Geordies, or b) that the term Geordie is associated with all residents of North East England, then you must provide a reference for this.
  • Some natives of the region consider it applies only to those born on Tyneside. Who considers this, you need to provide a reference stating it.
  • The term is widely presumed to originate from the town's beach and its large Yemeni population. Who is presuming this? And again a reference is needed for this.

DrFrench 20:08, 9 June 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Citation tags

It's funny how when I dare to question a citation tag inserted by DrFrench or Fourohfour, I am accused of vandalism and the rules of Wikipedia are cited most stringently. Yet when they choose to insert such citation tags, no such explanation is offered. When these tags are inserted into South Shields, Kwik Save or Somerfield, it is usually for facts or assertions so generic that no such information would be requested elsewhere on the site, yet for daring to challenge them and reverting these tags, you are treated as an unwelcome sore on the face of Wikipedia. Strangely, when you seek to take these issues beyond the initial reversion by said parties (and others, I must say) the threats of vandalism and banishment from Wikipedia are rarely carried through.

Is this, I wonder, because they know in their heart of hearts that they are wrong and that the independent spirit of Wikipedia is being destroyed by those who would hide behind an elaborate members' page and pretend that they own the place. I say NO, I say that anyone should be able to assert their opinions on this site and that it should be as legitimate to state that a citation is not required as it is to state the opposite. You may well spend half your life on Wikipedia, that's up to you - I'm not that sad and quite frankly I don't care - but please don't patronise those who work to keep this community independent and beyond the control of those who seem to live for it, usually individuals so far removed from the real world that they don't have a clue what's actually going on.

Yes, I have vandalised the sites and amendments of those so anally retentive that they seek to destroy the independence and impartiality on which Wikpedia was founded, and I make no apology for that. What I should have learned to appreciate is that they are so collectively thick it will have no effect. Some things on this site must be taken on trust as no person, living or otherwise, has the capacity to reference every single point of every article on Wikipedia. When you start asking for references on the type of shelves that Kwik Save had in the 1990s, then you are quite frankly taking the piss. If someone has taken the time and effort to write about something so obscure, maybe you should think about their motives before demanding a citation! lawsonrob 22 June 2007, 01:02

[edit] Quick note about the history moved to a new page

I appreciate that it is a big portion of the page.

However I could understand this move if the page was more than say 60k, but as it is the page is only just over 32k; and I'm sure I've read somewhere that this 'used' to be the optimum size to split a wiki page. And I'm sure that this is not the discussed consensual standard anymore...

I'm against moving it at this moment.

--77.97.70.235 (talk) 17:47, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Boffy you going to reply, with your reasons for moving the history to a new page? --77.97.70.235 (talk) 21:24, 28 December 2007 (UTC)