Talk:Sophie Scholl

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[edit] The last days

Can info from the movie be assumed to be correct? Including the times of trial & beheading among other facts?

--211.28.198.238 08:04, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Diaries?

Did Sophie ever keep any diaries or other personal writings that we can use to understand her and her beliefs in more depth?202.138.16.180 11:26, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Inge Jens (ed.), At the Heart of the White Rose: Letters and Diaries of Hans and Sophie Scholl, HarperCollins 1987. --91.34.14.124 16:50, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hollywood Film

I read that Sophie Scholl is to be played by Christina Ricci in an upcoming film

(See here... [1])

[edit] That last paragraph

...looks like it came straight off of Babelfish. I can't even be sure of what it was supposed to be saying. Any ideas? It might something like "Allied planes dropped more leaflets later in the war, but it was too late", but I'm not sure. --TexasDex 19:18, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Agreed, it was bizarre, and I couldn't find that it corresponded to anything in the de article to see if I could translate better. If I overlooked it and someone can find it, no biggie, but I couldn't make much sense in the context of the rest of the article. --Easter Monkey 08:47, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
What happened was, later in the war, the pamphlets that die Weisse Rose wrote were sent to the allies, who dropped millions of copies all over Germany. This helped with anti-nazi sentiment. NapalmChipmunk 18:40, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Psychology

I was interested in reading the section about Fraulein Scholl's psychology. Does anyone know if a psychologist has detected her Myer-Brigg type? I understand that this can be done with some degree of certainty posthumously. I am just wondering because I suspect she would be an INFP ("idealist" or "monastic/crusader") but that is purely a guess. 202.138.16.82 01:47, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Last words

Is Die letzten Tage a reliable source for her last words, or was that a dramatisation? I thought her last words were documented as (paraphrased) "your heads will also fall". In addition, isn't the profound Christian belief write-up slightly POV? Chris 11:20, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Denomination

Sophie Scholl was not a Roman Catholic. She was baptised in the Lutheran Church and remained a member of that denomination, although she had become increasingly influenced by the French Renouveau Catholique. 84.174.54.213 16:44, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Charities?

Are there any charities or trusts set up in Sophie's memory. I was hoping to find information on this page and the White Rose page but they do not say. If there was such an institution, I would like to help in some way, for Sophie's sake.

[2] (German) --91.34.15.92 20:51, 16 May 2007 (UTC)


Thank you. I can not read German but I'll find ways to use that information. Much appreciated. David. 202.138.16.85 05:32, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I am a little bit confused

What is this supposed to mean:

"The subject of her essay was 'The Hand that Moved the Cradle, Moved the World.' She hated children. This was not the case though and in the spring of 1941, she began a six month stint in the auxiliary war service as a nursery teacher in Blumberg. "

It doesn't really make sense to me, can anyone explain?

Thank you. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.133.8.161 (talk) 14:38, 21 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Tortured before death?

William Shirer wrote that the torture she suffered was so severe, that she came before the court with a broken leg. Also, on the new movie website, there is a mugshot from her took from the side, in which it seems that her teeth were broken. Does anyone has information about if she really was tortured, maltreated or abused during interrogation? Thanks. 201.19.179.107 16:00, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

There are no scenes of physical torture in the Jentsch film. According to this site: http://www.jlrweb.com/whiterose/faq.html she was not tortured, though it was a rumour early on. Hope this helps. David. 211.26.1.83 10:32, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

No relevant source in German says that she was tortured. Her leg was definitely not broken. Moreover, the Gestapo officer who interrogated Sophie Scholl, Robert Mohr, was in a wy sympathetic towards her. He wanted her to testify that she had only taken part in resistance activities on behalf of her brother, which she refused, claiming responsibility for having resisted the Nazi regime. 87.169.34.188 10:06, 21 February 2007 (UTC)


Do we know much about what happened to Mohr after the war? Did he ever publicly state regrets or renounce his actions? David 202.138.16.91 10:24, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Little was known about Robert Mohr before the historians affiliated to the film team of Sophie Scholl: The Last Days started their research. Mohr did not only interrogate Sophie Scholl, but also her father and other members of the White Rose circle like Willi Graf and his sister Anneliese. Anneliese Knoop-Graf described Mohr's attitude toward her and other female White Rose prisoners as somewhat paternalistic. They perceived his friendliness as false and thought it a trick to gain their confidence. Nonetheless it is interesting to know that Mohr had a son in Sophie's and her friends' age. After his success in destroying the White Rose, Mohr was sent to Alsace as a Gestapo or criminal police officer. He fled to Germany even before the war's end, was imprisoned by the French about 1947 and released about two years later. Then he contacted Robert Scholl, Sophie's father, supposedly because he hoped that Scholl would give him a clean record. In 1951 he wrote a report about the last days of the White Rose on the request of Robert Scholl. In this report he claimed that he had not only tried to save Sophie's life (confirmed by the interrogation protocol), but had also ignored several anti-nazi statements during the interrogation of Robert Scholl, which had otherwise cost Scholl his head. This seems to be true, because Scholl never objected to the report. Mohr died in 1977. When his son Willi was interviewed by the historians, he stated that his father had been a convinced nazi and loyal servant of the regime. Willi Mohr also talked about violent outbursts his father had when family members asked him about the nazis' crimes. --87.169.26.216 20:45, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you; much appreciated. David.211.26.1.119 08:31, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism

Someone put in things such as that Sophie is a "Giant Cunt" and put other things where you should see pamplets or leaflets, so I repaired it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by DasEnde (talk • contribs) 14:23, 5 April 2007 (UTC).


[edit] Last Words

There seems to be some conflict of what her last words were. This article states they were "The sun still shines", but the White Rose page claims they were either "…your heads will fall as well" or "God, you are my refuge into eternity." I have know idea what they were, just thought that someone who does know could rectify this inconsistency. 71.93.44.175 09:27, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

She said "...your heads will fall as well" during her trial, adressing the court. So these were certainly not her last words, because she spoke to her parents as well as to Hans Scholl and Christoph Probst after the trial. --91.34.72.87 15:19, 23 June 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Consistency

It says in the article on her brother Hans:

"He, along with his sister, Sophie, Christoph Probst, Alexander Schmorell, Willi Graf, and Professor Kurt Huber, wrote and distributed six leaflets"

Which is correct? This article, or the Hans article?

194.46.227.233 18:06, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sabotage is not non-violent

The article says she was part of “White Rose non-violent resistance movement in Nazi Germany.” I’m not so sure about the nonviolent part. Some of their leaflet advocated sabotage. If no one objects I will remove this wording. --S.dedalus (talk) 21:38, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

I object. They clearly advocated non-violent resistance. They were not partisan fighters nor did they call for the assassination of Hitler or any other figure. Likewise, groups like Ploughshares today are defined as non-violent though they advocate sabotage of military equipment. 210.50.56.61 (talk) 09:03, 19 February 2008 (UTC)