Talk:Sonoma County wine

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[edit] Attribution

Some of the content from the Winemaking and History sections are originally from the Sonoma County wineries article. Agne^Cheese/^Wine 23:04, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed move

I propose that this article be moved to Sonoma County wine, as there is no "Sonoma County AVA" designated in CFR Title 27 Part 9 (see: [http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr;sid=bff700d0bbb2a632948b70fe7e91d7d4http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Sonoma_County_wine&action=edit&section=2 Editing Talk:Sonoma County wine (section) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia;rgn=div5;view=text;node=27%3A1.0.1.1.7;idno=27;cc=ecfr http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr;sid=bff700d0bbb2a632948b70fe7e91d7d4;rgn=div5;view=text;node=27%3A1.0.1.1.7;idno=27;cc=ecfr]). The title and opening sentence are both factually incorrect.--Kharker 20:24, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

I'd support that. Stepheng3 (talk) 23:01, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Wow, you're right! This is so confusing. There are numerous reliable sources referring to a "Sonoma County AVA" but they seem to be mistaken. Could we get some clarification about what's going on? Wikidemo (talk) 10:40, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm not an expert, but I think that counties are automatically legal as appellations, so AVAs are only created for areas that are smaller (or occasionally larger) than counties. Unless someone objects soon, I plan to do the move myself. Stepheng3 (talk) 16:21, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Notable wineries

As these wineries get articles and are established as passing WP:CORP, then they should be moved over to the main article. Right now it is a little too directoy style and the term "notable" is vaguely define. Having them pass Wikipedia's notability standards to at least have an article is more defined and give more weight to the term "notable". With the current list, anyone can add any winery they like even though it may never have a Wikipedia article. At least here on the talk page, people can add to the list without negatively affecting the article and some may be inspired to create articles on the wineries that are truly notable. Agne^Cheese/^Wine 00:46, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm fine with that, even though on the old article we had settled on keeping them. I think moving unlinked wineries over to the talk page is a great idea because it addresses one of the main reasons for including them, to help people fill out the coverage. I've taken the liberty of redlinking them all so that we can monitor them and move them over if we notice someone has created them, and also to make it that much easier for someone to get one started if they wish. The below wineries may or may not be notable, and there may be notable ones that aren't on the list, but this was the best effort of a few people to guess which 1/3 or so of the wineries in the county are most important.Wikidemo (talk) 01:01, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Redlinking them is a good idea. I've moderated my position on them a lot since talking with you and I see this as a sort of middle ground between the extremes. Agne^Cheese/^Wine 01:29, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

A. Rafanelli Winery Arrowood Vineyards & Winery Barefoot Cellars Benziger Family Winery Buena Vista Winery Chateau Souverain Chateau St. Jean Winery Clos Du Bois Wines Domaine Saint George Everett Ridge Historic Winery Ferrari-Carano Winery Flowers Vineyard and Winery Gallo of Sonoma Winery Gary Farrell Vineyards & Winery

Geyser Peak Winery Gloria Ferrer Champagne Caves Grove Street Winery Gundlach Bundschu Winery Hop Kiln Winery Iron Horse Vineyards J Wines Jordan Vineyard & Winery Kenwood Vineyards Kunde Estate Winery La Crema Winery Lake Sonoma Winery Martinelli Vineyards & Winery Matanzas Creek Winery

Michel-Schlumberger Wines Mill Creek Vineyards & Winery Murphy-Goode Winery Pride Mountain Vineyards Quivira Vineyards Ravenswood Winery Rosenblum Cellars Schug Carneros Estate Seghesio Winery Silver Oak Wine Cellars Simi Winery Sonoma-Cutrer Vineyards St. Francis Vineyard & Winery Stonestreet Winery Valley of the Moon Winery

BTW, if you want to take a similar approach to other articles about different county and/or AVA wine producers I would endorse that. I know we may have reached a different result in deletion discussions and talk page discussions before, but I think this is a nice way to go about it, and consistency throughout California and perhaps the US in wine region articles is a good thing.Wikidemo (talk) 01:08, 5 January 2008 (UTC)