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Good article Sonic the Hedgehog (character) was one of the Everyday life good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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Prose

  • Edit sections from an out-of-universe perspective where possible.
  • Copyedit sentences with redundant words. (See: How to satisfy Criterion 1a)
  • Replace references to concept-mobius and ghz with suitable (quoted) references using {{cite video game}} where possible.
  • Remove fancrufty comments about speculation and fan tastes. (e.g. is Shadow or Metal Sonic more popular, etc.)
  • Remove original research. (Metal Sonic's current location, reasons behind talking, etc.)
  • Reformat external links in the text as footnote references.
  • Clean up the article to use the same person, in particular, do not intermix you/we.
  • Use the dash guidlines consistently.
  • Use consistent punctuation.
  • Remove pointless lists.
  • Install anti-yiff cannons.
  • All plot should be written in present tense.
  • Add overall article template for all Sonic character articles for uniformity

Images

  • Make sure all images have concrete fair use rationale.
  • Downsize fair-use images per {{fair use reduce}} to generally no more than 320 pixels in any direction.
    NB: Try to make sure that downsized transparent PNGs do not have a black background in IE.
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Contents

[edit] Sonic X New Adventures

The television series section describes an anime called "Sonic X: The New Adventures". I'm going to check up on this, and if it's false I'm removing.  Spottedstripe(Talk2Me) 22:09, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

I see, someone typed up a story on fanfiction.net and claimed it was an anime. Sorry, SX: NA, but you're going bye-bye!  Spottedstripe(Talk2Me) 22:10, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Chaos Control

I think we should refer the ability of sonic to cause chaos control with just one emerald, as seen in the sonic x episode 37 —Preceding unsigned comment added by XFyre1 (talk • contribs) 19:13, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

first of all, no because Sonic X isnt a place to get info about Sonic unless it's in the section about Sonic X or the Sonic X main article. BUT, you could put down "Sonic can perform Chaos Control with one Chaos Emerald as seen in Sonic Adventure 2 Battle", which I'm pretty damn sure happened. And Third of all... Sonic X ep 37?! I cant believe there are fans of that series! (No offense) The show or 'anime' sucks, and I doubt that this information should be noted unless you can find a proper spot for it in the article. ][User:SxeFluff--SxeFluff (talk) 02:37, 5 February 2008 (UTC)]] 20:37, 4 Febuary 2008

sonic never really used the chaos emerald he used the fake own made by tails, but he can do chaos control with one emerald(even a fake one)

[edit] The Simpsons Game Cameo

Sonic has had a cameo-which the appearance--done by EA--was poorly-in The Simpsons game but it is not in the Outside of Sonic titles section! Please can someone fix that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.145.242.66 (talk) 21:45, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Its not "poorly done" it was just deliberatly made to not look exactly like him for copyright purposes. Its a blue hedgehog looking creature, but EA can deny it was him. Frankly, I'm not sure if this should be mentioned at all (it clearly is a reference to Sonic, as is the Mario that appears in the game, but it technically isn't).

[edit] Featured Article

Sonic fans. I think it is time for us to take the next step, and crusade to get this article in shape, nominated, reviewed, etc, until it is a featured article! I don't know many specifics of how the nomination and request process works, but I would like to ask that we campaign for it! If we work at it, it may not be long before we get ourselfs a featured article! Let's give it a go! User:Radman622 01:10, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Apparently, you're either not a very talkative or not a very motivated bunch are ya? User:Radman622 07:48, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

It would be cool to see sonic as a featured article. Fwooshlewooshle (talk) 15:41, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

I dig it. We should ban together and all join the SegaProject! (If some of us haven't already.)  Spottedstripe(Talk2Me) 15:21, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Homing attack.

On the abilities section it says sonic gained his homing attack in sonic 3D blast. I dont remember that being in that game. I thought it first debuted in sonic adventure. Can anyone tell me if it really debuted in sonic 3D blast? Fwooshlewooshle (talk) 22:06, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

In 3D, if Sonic obtained a gold shield he could perform something similar to the homing attack. I'm not sure if it was named 'homing attack' or not, so I can't say if the article is accurate. Cigraphix (talk) 00:20, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Maybe it should be resaid as he officialy gained the homing attack in Sonic Adventure but was able to do an ability similar to it in the previous sonic title, Sonic 3D blast. Fwooshlewooshle (talk) 01:46, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Actually, after collecting all the chaos emeralds and super emeralds in Sonic 3 & Knuckles, Sonic could change forms into Hyper Sonic and perform homing attacks. The ability has been around for a while. --JamesGecko (talk) 02:04, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, actually, Hyper Sonic just destroyed all enemies on-screen in S3&K; it wasn't a homing attack. Sabre Knight (talk) 22:22, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Subspace Emmisiary?

What role does Sonic play in the SE in Smash Bros. Brawl? I think that it would be a valid thing to add to 'outside of Sonic titles'... dontcha think? - (Indigo Rush 00:30, 4 February 2008 (UTC))

This will probably be best added after the western relase of Brawl, as I think most solid information about brawl is rather hard to source at the moment.  Doktor  Wilhelm  00:56, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
Heh, if you think it's hard to source, obviously you haven't picked up Nintendo Power lately.  Spottedstripe(Talk2Me) 15:23, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Sonic does not play a role in the Subspace Emisary —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.193.121.54 (talk) 00:32, 10 March 2008 (UTC) Oh i`m sorry he doesn`t appear in The Subspace Emmisary until the final boss battle —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.193.100.62 (talk) 20:54, 10 March 2008 (UTC) His role is that he broke one of Tabuu's wings, making his attack a whole lot weaker--Game Shaman (forgot my password) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 170.211.234.126 (talk) 17:05, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sonic's aging?

Just so you know, the upcoming game "Sonic Chronicles: Dark Brotherhood" is said to be set "two years after Sonic last fought Eggman."

Doesn't that mean that Sonic's 17 years old in this game?

You may consider putting that info in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.106.187.33 (talk) 23:02, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Not really, how old was Sonic when he last fought Eggman? he could have been 30, the age in the Article is Sonic's given age, and fictional chracrets don't age at the same rate as the real world, in fact they can age backward! Plus, Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood isn't even out yet, don't count ya chickens!  Doktor  Wilhelm  23:01, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Trimming Game Appearences

I took out some un-important info in the Game Appearences section (such as Sonic's Brawl Final Smash being Super Sonic). Nothing important was removed, though.  Spottedstripe(Talk2Me) 14:14, 12 February 2008 (UTC) Should i put that in Super Sonic`s article instead? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.193.100.62 (talk) 20:56, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Smash Bros. Picture Misplacement

There is a picture of Sonic and Mario from Brawl in Popularity and references in other media, but there is no mention of it in that section. I'm moving it to the section where that game is talked about. w/love, GEM036 (talk) 03:23, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sonic "The" Hedgehog

Sonic's offical middle name is The. So it should be capitalized. not the. Please fix. -Doodlebomb —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.205.115.154 (talk) 02:17, 7 March 2008 (UTC) Yeh i`ve noticed that it kind of pisses me off —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.193.121.54 (talk) 00:33, 10 March 2008 (UTC) YES! then why isn`t the article called Sonic The Hedgehog instead —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.193.121.54 (talk) 21:46, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

If that's true then how come the games subtitles always list it as the. (Here's an external to prove it. NOTE: I suggest those who haven't played Sonic Adventure 2 don't watch this. Sonic)


Hmm, very interesting. But then again, check source 3 on this article. Im not gonna say anything else, because the source on the article addresses the issue, and the Sonic Adventure Clip i just watched confirmed that the is used in game. So i dont have a real answer for how to resolve this. I guess just leave it as is. -Doodlebomb —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.205.115.154 (talk) 21:17, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] SSBB Misinformation

That section about Sonic in Brawl needs to be reworded, and your facts about his gameplay need some serious straightening out. For one, he lacks any moves to send the opponent "flying with ease", in fact, he's in utter lacking of a decent finishing move, making him one of the lower-mid tier characters. 72.208.107.204 (talk) 22:13, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

That's not true. His forward smash, down smash, back-air, and up-air are all effective killing moves. His back-throw is also an effective killing manuever. In addition, his up-B can be used as a projectile that cancels an opponent's second jump/recovery, and his homing attack can be used the same way, making Sonic very effective at edgeguarding, as well. He's a lightweight character, and as such, he needs to bring the opponent up to 120% or higher before he an effectively kill someone, the same as the other lightweight characters.

It's been established, however, that he has no trouble killing someone; it simply takes more skill to do so. His fast speed, air control and comboability allow him to rack up the damage quickly, meaning, if you actually have any skill with Sonic, you would see that it isn't difficult to KO an opponent with him at all. In fact, these abilities actually rank him higher on the tier list than you claim.

[edit] Article is wee bit too long

My suggestion would be (if you want the GA nomination to pass someday) would be to remvoe these sections: Interaction with other characters and Alternate versions. Its one thing to give a cursory sketch of Sonic's appearances in the comics (see Dr. Eggman) but this info really belongs in Sonic the Hedgehog (American TV and Comic).

As for the "Interactions..." section, that info belongs in each individual character's article. When you repeat the same information that's already available elsewhere, it ends up looking like a blob. You guys will be much happier with this article once it's tidy. Johnnyfog 15:54, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Friends

shouldn't we write down about his friends/love life/enimie(most likely spelled wrong) relationships. He knows a lot of people like Mina Mongoose, Sally, Tails, Amy... just wanted to know before i did something BlueBananas4ever (talk) 23:33, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

This is the video game Sonic article. Half of the ones you state are from the comic.Fairfieldfencer FFF 08:10, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

sorry i forgot it was just the video games.(sweatdrop)But shouldn't we put down the characters from the video games then and what his like with them then?BlueBananas4ever (talk) 01:58, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

There was a friends section but this guy named Bridies deleted because it was unsourced.Fairfieldfencer FFF 09:34, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Young Sonic image

Hi, i have found on DeviantArt a young Sonic (brown) before he turned blue. Anyone wanna to place here? No problemo there is: Young Sonic Or check another one: Young Sonic Search on DeviantArt. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.207.126.231 (talk) 21:14, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Snapshots

Please consider adding this gallery as a list of relevant photos about Sonic the Hedgehog RyanTMulligan (talk) 19:14, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Article clean up effort

Per a recent discussion on WP:VG, I've began working on cleaning up this article. While some parts of this article are decent enough, there's still a lot of extra stuff that needs to be worked on. I'm using Link (The Legend of Zelda) as a model for what this article should be shooting for, as it's one of the few game character articles that's a Featured Article (and one that's passed two FA Reviews, at that). As for what needs to be done:

  • The "Related Songs" section really needs to go. It's nothing more than a list of random tracks (which is unacceptable as indiscriminate info) and as far as I know, no other good fictional character articles includes a whole section on character leimotifs (Darth Vader, for example, only has one sentence mentioning what his leimotif is). I can't see any purpose that reader owould need to know what Sonic's theme was in every video game.
  • The "Character" section needs major trimming. I can understanding talking a bit about the character's personality as well as his most common abilities and Super Sonic (the Link article has a similar section that talks about his common abilities), but who really pays attention to what his home is like, what his weaknesses are or what the personalities of his alternate selves from the cartoons or comic are like? I'm wary to use the word, but there's way too much cruft in that section, and it needs to be weeded out.
  • The "Popularity and references in other media" section needs to be regoranized and expanded. I'm surprised that an article about one of the defining characters in video games, whose rivalry with Mario was the definition of the Nintendo-Sega wars of the 16-bit era, and the mascot of Sega, talks very little about the actual cultural impact the character has had and mostly lists a whole bunch of pop culture references. The section as it is is a good start (mentioning him being one of the few video game characters at the Macy's Thanksgiving Parade and the Sonic hedgehog gene are good), but it definitely needs to be expanded and sourced.

If anybody else has any other thoughts on how this article can be improved, I'm open to suggestions. NeoChaosX (talk, walk) 01:30, 11 June 2008 (UTC)