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[edit] Taxonomy help wanted

Some questions:

  • Are songbirds and oscines the same thing? Oscines redirects here, oscine doesn't.
  • According to this article, oscines is the suborder. According to oscine, Passeres is the suborder. Which is correct?

Should one of these articles really be a redirect to the other? Soo 14:51, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] more taxonomy

The conflict noted above seems to be fixed now, but the taxobox says the suborder is Passeri, while the first sentence says "Oscines". Also, what type of classification are "Passerida" and "Corvida"? --Allen 05:16, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] image

with several thousand species of songbird, sure we can do better than a magazine cover. jimfbleak 05:01, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] General Question

What birds are NOT song birds? Ducks, birds of prey, owls, cuckoos, parrots, hummingbirds, swifts.....jimfbleak 16:41, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Taxonomy problem

I am very confused. The large Icteridae family (blackbirds and orioles) are not listed here, although they are in superfamily 'Passeroidea' which appear to all be oscine birds. The related Parulidae family also doesn't appear here. Is there some reason for this? Oscines appears to be an infraorder : does it not include these families? (There are other missing families as well.) The problem is that Wiki's List of birds does include Icteridae and Parulidae in its list of Suborder Passeri ("oscines") so there appears to be a conflict. The "Tree of Life" website( http://tolweb.org/Passeriformes/15868 ) also calls all of the Passeroidea family "sparrow- and thrush-like 'songbirds'." Can anyone clarify? NaySay 17:47, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

I seem to remember that the creator of this article used HANZAB as a source, which would not have include many of the families that do not occur in that region. Obviously the icterids and New World warblers should be there. jimfbleak 12:12, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Corvida and Passerida

Is the division of suborder Passeri into the parvorders Corvida and Passerida sufficently non-controversial that if I were to create the stub articles and categories for them and edit the family articles and this article as well that it would be acceptible? Caerwine Caerwhine 23:24, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

I have no problem with this. jimfbleak 05:23, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
And it is done. It wasn't as straightforward as I thought it would be when I started, but it is done. Caerwine Caerwhine 10:51, 4 August 2006 (UTC)