Talk:Sonatas and partitas for solo violin
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I've been doing some heavy editing to this article, and I've added a lot of links to it from other articles. This is one of my favorite pieces of music, so I'd really like to see this page develop some more. There is lots of interesting information about the sonatas and partitas, but I'm not schooled enough in music to contribute as much as I'd like. I do think that the page on the 2nd partita should be merged with this one, though. Alcuin 05:52, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
I think this article is a good idea. Whether we merge the 2nd partita article to this one would depend mainly on if there is a potential to expand on the other works as well in sperate articles. That being said I am all for having an article that address features of the group in general.
One thing I had in mind, but requires further research, is the involvement of Joseph Joachim in this work. From reading Leopold Auer's book it seemed to suggest that Joachim was instrumental in highlighting this work. Some websites seem to support that, but others claim that the repretoire was quite popular from the beginning on and was never at threat of being lost (using the fact that Bach's own autograph of the pieces survive to this day).
If there are some decent sources pretaining to Joachim's involvement with this work, I think it would be worth adding. Also, I believe his 1903 recording of Tempo Di Borea (which I believe is one of only five surviving record by him), might be the very oldest of any piece in this repretoire.
It might be worth adding that Yehudi Menuhin was the first to record the entire work. --Karmish 21:44, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
I added some links, I hope they help. I like your ideas, Karmish, be bold and add them to the page. Also, I now do agree that there should be separate articles for each sonata and partita (perhaps discussing the music, while the main page focuses on history and significance), though I think this page should be beefed up much more first. Alcuin 06:10, 29 December 2005 (UTC
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[edit] BWV numbers in page titles
Is it really necessary to include the opus numbers in the titles of classical music pages? We now have a title 52 characters long, when 'Sonatas and partitas' (20 chars) would still uniquely identify this work. Alcuin 14:58, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
- "Sonatas and partitas for solo violin" at least, I think.--Quadalpha 05:39, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Merge/Question
"The third partita is probably the best known of the six suites." Is there a source for this quote?
Is the rest of the quote really necessary (unless the following suggestion is made).
Should this be merged with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solo_Violin_Partita_No._2_%28Bach%29 I don't understand why that set deserves its own article while the others do not (aside from the awesome ciaconna, which can have descriptions on this article). --CheeZe 01:45, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
Partita No. 3 was also transcribed for lute and the Prelude as the Sinfonia to Cantata No. 29. It is also featured in many movies. The Gavotte en Rondeau was featured on the TV series Cosmos by Carl Sagan. I would agree that it is the most well known of these works, probably by a large factor.
Partita No. 2 is notable because of the Chaconne movement, however, which is famous in its own right. If the 2nd Partita doesn't deserve its own page, perhaps the Chaconne might since it is likely to be searched on and is the subject of much literature.
--Rdnzl 05:11, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Being featured doesn't make it "best known". You could say "among the more well known pieces" or something.
As for the ciaconna, I understand that it is a monumental work, I can't see it deserving its own page if this page exists. For comparison, individual movements of a concerto are not given their own page for being awesome because it's part of a set. In this case, the 2nd partita is part of the sonatas and partitas for solo violin set. --65.30.35.19 08:00, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
I stand behind my comments. Being featured in many places is exactly what makes a piece of music well known. The Preludio from the 3rd Partita is one of the most recognizeable pieces of all of Bach's music.
An article for the Chaconne certainly makes sense, in my opinon. Entire books have been written about this one movement. It has been transcribed for symphony orchestra, string quartets, and many other solo instruments. There are individual articles for single songs from Motley Crue albums. If any single movement from a particular Bach work deserves its own article, it's the Chaconne. --Rdnzl 21:16, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] butcher paper?
I removed this from the opening paragraph, because (a) it's not referenced (b) it's sort of a piece of trivia at best. If you have a reference for it, please put it back in the article, but not in the lead.--24.86.252.26 07:30, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
- They were nearly destroyed when they were discovered to be used as butcher paper.
[edit] list of recordings?
Can someone please justify why we need a list of recordings? If there is a particularly noteworthy one, please mention that, but please put a reference that justifies it as important. Indiscriminate lists are rubbish.--24.86.252.26 07:35, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
