Talk:Somatic hypermutation

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[edit] References

Does anyone have references for any of this stuff, apart from needing a cleanup, this page needs to sort out what is speculation and what had been published in the area. Ansell 01:11, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rewrite

This article had some major problems, mostly that it did not explain SMH with regards to who, what, when, why, and how. It also contained some inaccurate information which I have removed including statements such as:

• Large creatures such as vertebrates typically have a long generation time, while (micro-)parasites (viruses, bacteria, fungi or worms) that they play host to often have a short generation time.-huh?
• "the less efficient innate immune system"-the innate system is no less "efficient" than the adaptive system, they just have different jobs.
• This process takes 3 weeks, and speeds up that which would otherwise require centuries of evolution- this is a logical fallacy, (three weeks!! we would all be dead by now if that were true.)
• Some worm species avoid the adaptive immune response by modifying their external skin or secretions every couple of weeks- so what, SMH plays very little role in immune system escape by parasitic infections, plus every couple of weeks, what?

Also, I have included some references that can be used for further study, for those interested. Cheers--DO11.10 18:00, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

I disagree with almost all of these criticisms of the previous version of the article (which I did not write). There is certainly an interesting parallel between the process of hypermutation of IgV regions and the high mutation rate of micro-organisms. In a fuller article, this should be included. It's true that the process would take many centuries if germline IgV regions were fixed. A logical fallacy it isn't! Only bit I agree with is that the innate immune system cannot be legitimately described as less efficient. --User:Rclb

While I agree with your feelings that there may be interesting correlations here, there are several problems with the material I specifically mentioned above. With point three the problem is that 1) this process does not take three weeks and 2) it attempts to argue that SHM is somehow involved in human evolution, while it is much more likely that it is involved in adaptation by pathogenic micro-organisms (this is a logical fallacy or more specifically a post hoc fallacy).

The problem with point one is really the statements: Large creatures such as vertebrates and (micro-)parasites (viruses, bacteria, fungi or worms) bacteria, fungi or worms are not exclusively (or even usually thought of as) "parasitic" and fungi and worms are not "micro", finally many species of these "micro" are larger than some vertebrates.

Point number four is just poorly written.

The number one biggest problem with ALL of these statements was that they included no references. You may wish to consider that, should you continue to contribute to Wikipedia, and I sincerely hope that you do. (I am not implying that you did not cite, it is just that many people don't, and then articles like the one I described above happen.)--DO11.10 02:00, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] This article should be called Somatic Hypermutation.

The heading of hypermutation is misleading, since the text is describing a specific process of elevated mutation rates in B-cells after being activated. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nfreed (talk • contribs) 07:46, 31 October 2006. Please sign your posts!!

Done---DO11.10 17:25, 31 October 2006 (UTC)