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[edit] Snake's apperences

Ima change that Solid snake was in Ape escape and snake versus monkey,That is clearly

big boss.--Hitamaru 00:16, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
The Snake in Snake Vs. Monkey from MGS3 was obviously Solid Snake. Unless Big Boss travelled through time to converse with Colonel Cambell.Optimus Sledge 23:33, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 'Solid Snake' Spoken Wikipedia

Can someone either delete the one on this page or upload a better one? It sounds rediculous and is hardly discernible through the thick accent of whoever is speaking.

[edit] Unmatched?

Alright, it says in this article that Solid Snake's skills are unmatched. Well, thats not quite true. For one example, Hideo Kojima has confirmed that in MGS2 Snake and Raiden are at equal skill - whether Snake fanboys agree or not. And I can only assume that in MGS4m Raiden had only surpassed Snake (mostly cause of age) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.222.253.141 (talk) 09:34, 29 November 2007 (UTC)


[edit] MGS4 Pic

some one is posting naked pictures of nasty things on this site

In the most recent trailer I've seen, Snake doesn't look old. In fact, he only looks slightly older than he did in MGS2. Can someone find a pic of this? If I find the trailer, I'll post it and then edit the article. DeathGodDragon EDGE 23:28, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

As far as we know, Old Snake is Solid Snake

†he Bread 05:33, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Ok, but I'm just sayin' I saw a trailer with Snake using his camouflage suit to blend in. Then, the enemy walk past a statue looking for Snake. When they leave, part of the statue moves, revealing a guy using a camouflage suit (in the exact same color scheme as Snake's suit). He removes his mask, and it's not Old Snake, but a younger looking man. DeathGodDragon EDGE 00:45, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

The guy you see using the camo is probably Raiden, who is said to also be in MGS4. Old Snake is Solid Snake.

He is right, at the end of the trailer the "young" Solid Snake is shown wearing the Octocamo. If not him a man with the same face as MGS2 Solid Snake and smoking a cigarrette, the only difference is that he doesn't wear the Bandana. Black Dollar 12 February 2007

[edit] Vandalism

I just saw this page with several pictures from the precum article. Locking the page may be a wise decision. 64.91.86.166 08:37, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Not sure what you're seeing, but this page hasn't been edited in over 24 hours. — TKD::Talk 10:07, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

I believe he's talking about the picture of a penis in the other appearences section. [not signing out of safety] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.209.248.70 (talk • contribs)

Having done some investigation, the {{Spoken Wikipedia}} template, which that section includes, was vandalized recently, but it has since been reverted and protected. You may need to purge your browser cache if you're still seeing it. — TKD::Talk 20:23, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism!!!!!!!!!1

Someone is posting a picture of a vulva on the site. Clearly this is vandalism!!!!!!!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.236.89.238 (talk) 20:52, 10 December 2006 (UTC).

Yeah, there was a picture of a vulva when I visited the page just now as well. Makes it rather hard to read the article.

i love all of you so much

[edit] Japanese name

This article has "Solid Snake" written in Japanese, but any interview I've seen with Kojima or an Konami staff has them reffering to him as Snake (albeit "Snake-a") not Sorrido Suneku. Can anyone confirm this Japanese name?

†he Bread 07:58, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

The "Japanese name" is how the katakana used to spell his name is romanized in the literal sense. It is a close approximation of how Japanese speakers would say those English words. -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 08:06, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
Ahh I see, Sorrido does sound like Solid when said with a Japanese accent, same for Suneku, sounds like Snake. Thanks for clearing that up, 'twas bothering me for a while
†he Bread 08:13, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] More vandalism??

What is up with this part??

"Kojima has told a story in several interviews about riding the train home and running into one of the staffers working on Snake's Revenge, and being asked to rejoin them and help make an authentic sequel to Metal Gear.[2][1] Upon agreeing to this, the game they produced was Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake. Metal Gear 2, initially released only in Japan for the SEX2, follows after the original Metal Gear rather than Snake's Constipation; indeed, all later games ignore the events of Snake's Revenge, relegating it to non-canon status.[3]

Metal Gear 2 sees Solid Snake once again called up to impregnates a heavily-fortified enemy , this time in Zanzibar Land. Zanzibar Land has aggravated an international oil crisis and declared themselves a nuclear power by kidnapping Dr. Kio Marv, the creator of the formula to OILIX (a bio-engineered algae that produces an oil substitute), and Dr. Pettrovich Madnar, the inventor of the Metal Gear. Snake infiltrates the base and retrieves Dr. Marv's OILIX formula (albeit not Marv himself, who is tortured to death). However, he discovers that Pettrovich and his former comrade Gray Fox have defected to Zanzibar Land, and that Zanzibar Land is led by none other than Big Butt. Snake screws the new Metal Gear D, confronts and kills Gay Fox in a dance fight in the middle of a soccer field during a championship game, then kills Big Butt with a makeshift gaythrower in a final dysenterial infection."

This is obviosuly not up to wiki standards, I will change this, if anybody doesnt like my wording, please comment here...

Never Mind... its been fixed Thanks!!

I found another sign of vandalism, the japanese name for Solid Snake was spelled as Complettu Badassu. Black Dollar 19 February 2007

[edit] Um, wow. Jihadi?

Solid Snake from the upcoming Metal Gear Solid 4, here he is seen using the Octocamo camoflauge system as well as the M1911A1, hesitating to shoot a fleeing jihadi.

With very little of the plot revealed, plus with Kojima simply stating that Snake can choose between "Country A and Country B" we don't know if the middle eastern folk are "Jihadis." - 75.4.200.230 00:07, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Don't be silly. All Middle Eastern folk are Jihadis. I know, I read The Sun. Optimus Sledge 23:31, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
I watch Faux News —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.91.195.117 (talk) 02:58, 27 January 2008 (UTC)


What a country :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.15.64.119 (talk) 02:18, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] This article is terrible

Can someone please rewrite it. it is all wrong half the article is telling me about the games in the metal gear solid series the article is supposed to be about Solid Snake have a look at the Big Boss or Revolver Ocelot article they are excellent examples of great articles. 194.125.53.82 14:07, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

They're excellent examples of bad articles. Ocelot's redeming feature is that it's at least got real world content, Big Boss is just bad. You're meant to write the article with minimal plot summary and focas on the real world
†he Bread3000 05:53, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Exactly. Articles written primarily in in-universe style are amaturish and reek of fancruft. --81.179.92.14 02:49, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Snake vs. Gibson

In MG2, if going to call mode while smoking, the picture of Snake will show him smoking. Then it is even more similar to the one you have of Gibson, the position of the cigarrette is the same. So if you change it it would show even better the resemblance.

Black Dollar 20 February 2007

[edit] Abilities

In MDS:TTS Snake is clearly seen lifting Dr. Emmerich 4 feet above the ground. Can anyone add this to the article? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mac-10&Cheese (talk • contribs) 00:38, 5 April 2007 (UTC).

Actually that could just be the fact that Snake is really strong, I don't see any real reason to add this to the article, unless I'm reading it wrong?DarkAvenger280 06:07, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

If we take Twin snakes as canon, then we can also add these to the list of abilities: Being able to delay is own unconsiousness, being capable of trowing a hand grenade ALL THE WAY trough a tank`s cannon from at least 15 feet, and the very useful ability of stare at a rifle`s beam for like ten seconds without realizing what was it. I`m being sarcastic. Zidane tribal 06:30, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not the place to state your opinion of Twin Snakes. -MentosC 23:20, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

I know, you are right. I apologize. But my point is still reasonable Twins snakes shouldn`t be seen as a source of real information, the game is full of exaggerations and discrepancies. I believe that TS shouln`t be used on any article of the metal gear series or the characters. Zidane tribal 20:04, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, since The Twin Snakes shares the same story as the original game, there's no reason not to consider it canon. The MGS games are full of exaggerations and discrepancies - not just TTS. Hideo personally wanted the cutscenes to look the way they did, which seems pretty clear to me that Hideo Kojima believes Snake is capable of performing everything he did in TTS. The MGS games are not suppose to be 100% realistic, and many characters use exaggerated moves. Vamp's speed and skills, Ocelot's ability to make a single jump to reach RAY's cockpit from the ground... you get my point. TTS is a remake, not a game based on MGS's storyline.

[edit] Where he lives

Kojima says that snake lives in alaska,in mgs1 he even says hes lives in alaska with his dogs. Should it be added???--Hitamaru 22:44, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

It changed betwee games. You have to realize he originally lived in Canada in MG2. Jonny2x4 21:11, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
He could have moved,it says he lives in Alaska at the end of Metal Gear 2:solid snake.. cause it shows snake face.--Hitamaru 01:21, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nationality/ethnicity

Snake is part Japanese, this is canon from MGS. Which means Big Boss is part Japanese, too.

Snake is also Mongolian. Stated by Vulcan Raven "Your ancestors too were raised on the barren plains of Mongolia".. It's not direct but he never says anything direct. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.4.23.195 (talk) 01:14, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Can someone get a pic of Old Snake

it's best to use the current Snake pic as part of the Metal Gear Solid part of the article and use the Old snake to show how he is today.--Hitamaru 22:48, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] It's an M1911. A SIG GSR is a 1911 copy, and the pistol shown here has no definitive markings of a SIG GSR.

I keep changing this, just to have someone change it back. Can we vote on this or something? It's obviously a milspec 1911 (and will be identified as such in the game, I'm willing to bet). —Preceding unsigned comment added by TehBeefWhistle (talk • contribs) 01:54, 14 October 2007 (UTC)


It's a GSR as identified by the playable demo that was shown some time ago. The inventory screen identifies it as a GSR. Vids are all over the place. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.171.233.79 (talk) 00:39, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] HoYay≠Canon or fact, kthx.

To the lovely person who edited in un-encyclopedic fannish speculation regarding Snake and Otacon's love life: Don't. EVER AGAIN. I love them as much as the next fangirl, but NO.

Also, boasting about vandalism on LJ? Not a smart move. Alanahikarichan 20:04, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Goddammit. Now, see, I had already reverted it about half an hour before you even did this. Which means you DIDN'T HAVE TO DO IT IN THE FIRST PLACE. Now you've just proved that you live for flame wars by branching this argument out from the community. </discussion> -BFM —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.30.194.10 (talk) 23:28, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

8( NO.--69.71.170.89 (talk) 17:08, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] what color is snakes hair???

some die hard fans insist that it is darck blond and uthers say light brown any info —Preceding unsigned comment added by Doctorbrassstone (talk • contribs) 07:43, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

... I fail to see how it matters, but in all the PS1, PS2, and PSP games, on every screen I've seen 3d renders of him on on, and in every realistically colored piece of official art, it appears to be brown; it's certainly several shades darker than my hair, which is a shade that can be argued to be either brown or blonde.
I can't recall what color the sprite's hair is in MG1+2 or GB, though, and there may be canon evidence that it's naturally a different color that I just don't remember. Alanahikarichan (talk) 13:24, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

PS: Dark, others. Please. D:

It is dark brown. Check the updated image I just posted in the article.

[edit] Other nicknames?

I've seen on blogs AND in the game that he goes by Jack. I think this should be added to nicknames/aliases. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.208.220.204 (talk) 20:41, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

That was Big Boss, not Solid Snake! --74.34.217.222 (talk) 22:59, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] David... Sears?

So I've been hearing from a number of, erm... rather UNciteable sources that Snake's full canonical name is David Sears. Of course, I have no idea whether or not this is, in fact, canon, and I do have my doubts, but this is pretty much the only "family" name I have ever seen the man given. I'm not requesting that it be mentioned in the article or anything (yet), but it would be nice if someone could scrounge up some info on this allegation. I've tried, but my Google skills have failed me. Wiki articles (both stubs, really) for David Sears are completely unrelated, and the only other Sears I found via Google was some game dev for the SOCOM series or something. Meh. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.117.166.122 (talk) 11:34, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

"David" is indeed his first name (which you find out in the non-canonical ending of MGS when you ride off into the sunset with Otacon), and I think "Sears" comes from "George Sears", aka Solidus. I think most fans either assume we aren't allowed to know his family name (state secret, perhaps?) or that it's "Sears".--69.71.170.89 (talk) 17:06, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Which is also revealed in the CANONICAL Meryl ending! And just because the Otacon ending itself is non-canonical, doesn't mean any plot revelation made there isn't (namely Meryl's parentage). Jonny2x4 (talk) 07:31, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Young Snake in MGS4

Don't you think that we should at least mention the appearance of Young Snake at the end of the Tokyo Game Show 2006 trailer in the article? Ruthless Xero (talk) 04:23, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Considering we know nothing about that character what is there to add? You're also assuming that it is Solid Snake when it easily could be a completely new character. Strongsauce (talk) 14:14, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
Without getting into a deep discussion about it, if you look at the video closely you'll see it is probably just old snake with the mask made to look like young snake. The clue would be the white hair apparently sticking out the back. John.n-irl (talk) 14:29, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
I realize that it might not be Snake, hell I realize it isn't Snake, but I think we should at least mention that someone looking like Snake in his younger years appears in the trailer whether it is or is not him. At the very least we should mention in the MGS4 article. Ruthless Xero (talk) 22:09, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
Why? We don't know how this "Young Snake" fits into the game. He has only been seen that one time so nothing you put in would be anything other than speculation. At least all the other new characters have something that can be added e.g. Sunny: Olga's daughter Strongsauce (talk) 22:31, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
I know that we don't know what he has to do with the story, I'm saying we should at least add something along the lines of "At the end of one of the trailers, Young Snake, or a lookalike, was seen. There is no information as of yet on how he fits into the game." I realize that's sloppy but it was on a whim but something along those lines should be added. Ruthless Xero (talk) 21:24, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
The sentence you created is essentially putting into the article that there is no information about X and that is what is notable about X. If this "Young Snake" is not some sort of gag that was put into trailers then we will eventually find out why this Young Snake is in the game when it is released. Strongsauce (talk)
So hold on, his name wouldn't be "Young" Snake, it would just be Solid Snake.Darius Sinclair (talk) 20:35, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Images

Everyone, stop changing the image. Keep like it is right now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Guy1423 (talk • contribs) 20:37, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Snapshots

Please consider adding this gallery as a list of relevant photos about Snake RyanTMulligan (talk) 16:48, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Needs to be more about Solid Snake.

While I admit the current revision is good, it feels more like an overview of the Metal Gear franchise than an actual article about Solid Snake as a character. While I'm not suggesting to turn this article into a fictional Solid Snake biography, I think it would interesting to show the reader how the character progressed from a typical silent protagonist with no backstory to a fully realized character in Metal Gear Solid. Jonny2x4 (talk) 00:31, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

I think that's there in the article as far as the sources allow, we just need to keep streamlining and reducing the plot detail. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 18:42, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The image that I put on of Snake in MGS4 is much more updated than the sketch! We should put the MGS4 image on!!!

[edit] Images

This article currently has an excess of non-free images.

Left:Solid Snake on the boxart for Metal Gear. Right: Michael Biehn as Kyle Reese in The Terminator.

This image is actually two non-free images, one of which doesn't illustrate the subject of the article. We already have one image illustrating how Snake is based on 70s/80s action heroes, so the first image isn't needed. The second image isn't even of Snake, and was only included in the article to visually illustrate a supposed (and unsourced!) claim that the similarity between the two images was intended.

Snake in MGS2 was designed to look more rough than his self in MGS.

This is redundant; we have two images (title image and MGS screenshot) illustrating the MGS/Shinkawa Snake design. We don't need a third.

Additionally, there's no source to support the claim that Snake was intended to look more ragged in MGS2; this is easy to infer, but not sourced.


Please, please, please, use images frugally, unless someone figures out how we can use free images in this article. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 18:55, 8 June 2008 (UTC)