Talk:SolidWorks

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[edit] September 2005 to July 2006

Reads very much like an ad to me... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.13.186.4 (talk • contribs) 11:39, September 3, 2005

I'm with you, and added the npov code. The top section on pricing and unnamed 2D competitors is the main problem. --Belltower

This page has an ongoing problem with anon. users adding thinly veiled advertising and linkspam. Wikipedia:Companies, corporations and economic information provides the framework for writing articles about corporations. Cacophony 04:17, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
I added the Template:Advertisement due to ongoing problems. Cacophony 09:41, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Legality of images

Can screenshots of copyrighted software be released under the GFDL? — Omegatron 18:36, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

Can anything be written in this comment since it is being written using copyrighted software? -unsigned comment by 24.7.241.33 05:43, June 10, 2006

[edit] Copyright notice required?

Is it really necessary for an encyclopedia article? Alex 06:53, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Yes, as long as it actually discusses the software, it's capabilities and uses. -unsigned comment by 24.7.241.33 05:43, June 10, 2006
Please refer to Wikipedia:Copyright FAQ for information regarding copyrights. Wikipedia:Fair use also covers what is appropriate for inclusion under U.S. copyright law (Wikipedia servers are located in the U.S. state of Florida and are governed by U.S. law). The articles about more popular programs serves as a good guideline as well (read Google Earth, Adobe Acrobat, Macromedia Flash, Microsoft Windows, etc.). These articles do not place copyright notices within the article. Cacophony 06:08, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image quality

Great example why not to use JPG. --BjKa 07:35, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Practical considerations

tagged with wikify, cleanup (unencyclopedic, lots of misspellings, useful info could be incorporated into rest of article) -memodude 03:27, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I am unaware of the many misspellings you object to unless you are finding fault with a particular usage of localised English. The item was written specifically to augment the previous content with important detail not specific to the existing headings.It follows loosely what appears as 'criticism' on other wiki pages but is not intended to be such. It endeavours to represent a fuller picture than that previously presented of the software than by lising of its components and in respect of CAD software in general.--219.89.139.186 05:06, 7 December 2006 (UTC)BTW I use this software daily so I know - it is not malicious

It reads more like a blog posting or something you would find on a personal web page rather then an encyclopedia entry. I think you should have a read about a few of the key points such as the five pillars, manual of style, no original research, neutral point of view, and verifiability. All of which can be found under Policies and guidelines. I'm sure your obvious knowledge of the package can be helpful in developing the article, but it needs to be in line with wikipedia policy. In its current form the practical considerations section of the article isn't suitable for inclusion in wikipedia. skyskraper 13:12, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

As a reader, I very much valued the balanced opinion in the original Practical Considerations section, despite the possibly "unencyclopedic" format I would propose to keep it in for the moment.

This entire section is inappropriate and violates the neutal unbaised approach required by Wikipedia rules. If the author's point is to educate about all CAD systems, then he/she must prove this by adding similar sections to the Wikipedia pages for all the other major CAD software packages - Unigraphics, CATIA, AutoCAD, Solid Edge, etc. Otherwise, this is clearly a blog and a personal rant and needs to be deleted from this page. Contributer150 05:08, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

In reply: I need not of course spend my life adding similar statements about other CAD systems to the other wiki entries to justify or prove anything.It is constructively mischievous and absurd to suggest so.Although it was not strictly in the format prescribed it was neither a blog nor a rant and I take strong exception to that statement. In returning I find the page has been completely revised of all the factual and truthful information I imparted which leads me to wonder if this page is not subject to commercial influence or in fact that the contributors to this page are exploiting it for the purpose of covert advertising or at least editing out what they consider unflattering information for their own reasons.I will consider reinstating my entry in a more compliant format soon. Unfortunately this whole page seems to subject to ongoing inappropriate interference from vested interests and readers should be wary of the apparently selective editing imparted to it. 219.89.151.224 04:16, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't really like the way this article is set up. I really doesn't feel informative in a way that neutrally describes Solidworks. Also, of what value is revision history?Fcsuper 05:32, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Images

Didn't this article contain more images? Where did they all go?--Energman 12:05, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] SVG versions of diagrams

I've just uploaded Image:02extrude1.svg to Commons. Unless anyone thinks I shouldn't, I'll carry on doing the same to the other diagrams here. LittlePete 21:55, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pricing

Like I have been saying in my edit histories, I disaggree with the addition of the pricing section. I don't believe that it is notable and I think the only reason to add it for advertising purposes. Other similar articles on software do not contain sections on pricing ( ArchiCAD, AutoCAD, Pro/ENGINEER, VectorWorks, QCad, Rhinoceros 3D, Poser, Windows Vista, Microsoft Office, Microsoft Excel, Microsoft FrontPage, Adobe Photoshop, Adobe Dreamweaver, Adobe Fireworks, PartitionMagic, Shake, iWork, Final Cut Pro, Apeture just to name a few) Cacophony 17:39, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

I agree. Even if it is notable, and "consumers have the 'right'" to know, it is non-encyclopaedic. Stannered 21:44, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
I don't believe its advertising as its not directing you to go buy the software somewhere, like a particular reseller. I often see posts on forums from people asking how much the software costs so I don't see the harm in placing that infomation on the wiki. While maybe not typical of the old book style encycolpedia (neither is this topic), this type of editable tool lends itself to easily maintain accurate information like price, something book encylcopedias probably avoided due it changing. Like I said, whats the harm in providing information about it, and what's your motive for removing it?SolidGuru 20:08, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information, or a repository of FAQs. Just because something is 100% true and is frequently asked, it does not make it appropriate for Wikipedia. Although it isn't a paper encyclopaedia, it is an encyclopaedia. Pricing information is unencyclopaedic (and hence should not be included) in the same way that how-to articles are. Stannered 20:30, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Encyclopedia: A book or set of books containing articles on various topics, usually in alphabetical arrangement, covering all branches of knowledge or, less commonly, all aspects of one subject. So when does "all aspects of a subject" mean that the price is not relevant information? Actually, encyclopedia entries often mention how much something costs to build like a construction project, is this not the same thing.SolidGuru 21:22, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Also take a look at Microsoft Office here...it has pricing information. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Office_2007#Editions_and_pricing SolidGuru 21:38, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Your dictonary definition of encyclopedia is completely irrelevant to the official policies and guidelines of Wikipedia, specifically Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not. But if you want to go that route, please show me where another encyclopedia contains pricing for ANY product. Thank you for pointing out that one of my 18 examples does in fact contain pricing information, I have since removed that as well. Cacophony 00:09, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Well I'm confused....in one statement...you state that pricing information is "non-encyclodaedic", then later state that the defintion of "Encyclopedia" is irrelevant. Is this a user defined encyclopedia or not? Also, the "indiscriminate collection of information" section leaves a lot to interpretation. It doesn't specially say, "price or cost information for a product should not be included". How are you interpreting it...or rather which section? Just curious, are you a Solidworks user, reseller, or employee? Its difficult to say what the limits of Wikipedia subject information should be. In a book encyclopedia, a subject like Solidworks or probably any software would not be listed as its not significant enough to mention in the limited space of the book. Different here...the rules change.SolidGuru 15:02, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
I might also point out that the entry for Photoshop here 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photoshop' has some pricing information as well. I suppose you will remove that as well? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by SolidGuru (talk • contribs) 15:12, 17 April 2007 (UTC).
Why do you care so much that this article includes pricing? I don't think it should for the same reason that Wikipedia does not contain the prices for other products. It does not exist to sell things. Cacophony 01:22, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
Why include information like what add-ins are included in each bundle or even what the bundles are? I thought it simply relevant information to the topic. There's a first time for everything. Some might say that many of the topics on Wikipedia have never appeared in an Encyclopedia before. If you use that as a reason not to include it, then nothing new should ever be added. I'm just not sure how you draw the line..... Price, Versions, Add-ins? If no other software lists their add-ins or versions, does that mean its not relevant here? Listing the price is simple there for information, there's nothing there about selling it or even where to buy it. If I listed links to go buy it somewhere, I could see that as advertising.SolidGuru 15:53, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
I may not have any other edits for my account but thats simply cause I'm new to wikipedia....I've made minor edits to stuff before with no account. I use this software quite often......but I'm not here to sell it. People who do sell the software don't typically want the price listed anywhere for much the same reason car salesman or real estate agents don't list the price of a car or house. They want to get you in front of them so they can try sell you on it. I've made the assumption that you are a reseller of Solidworks and that is your motive for removing the pricing....if I'm mistaken, then I apologize.SolidGuru 16:05, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New SolidWorks 2007 screenshots

I've added screenshots of SolidWorks 2007 replacing the old JPEG and SVG ones by request of atropos235.

lfdgonzalez 01:03, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Solidworks 2008 Vista C.jpeg

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BetacommandBot 02:22, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Solidworks 2008 Vista C.jpeg

Image:Solidworks 2008 Vista C.jpeg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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