Talk:Soka Gakkai International/Archive 7

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Discussion about legality of methods in some countries

(Inserted from before Talk:Soka Gakkai International/Archive06#Scratching deeper

A job for Magnum PI?

R: And by the way " Sending in private investigators to find out who said what in a public discussion meeting? WHAT pray tell are you talking about???

J2: I don't follow you on your final paragraph, so you must be confusing something someone else wrote with something of mine. I know nothing about "[s]ending in private investigators to find out who said what in a public discussion meeting."
Gammadion: It was something of mine, not Jim's. I was talking about discussion meetings held by SGI opened to the public. I wonder who in hell dissected my paragraph? *Raises hackles and shows teeth* Careless words are somethings said in public-attended meetings that could be considered criminal based on religious-equality laws. That's why I recommend that private investigators be sent in to record such illegals acts by senior leaders which reflects badly on SGI on the whole.Gammadion 01:33, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
J3: Thanks for the clarification. Re: "could be considered criminal based on religious-equality laws": What country are we talking about here? I know that some countries in S.E. Asia (I think Singapore, Malaysia, and Indonesia) have such laws. Could you explain? Those laws might even be worth a discrete article themselves. Jim_Lockhart 02:35, 19 November 2005 (UTC)　
G2: Such laws in South East Asia are commonly classified under Internal Security Act(s). I do not understand your suggestion of letting the above mentioned law having a discrete article all by themselves. By the way, I am kind of busy now so I will try bring an example of the law. CiaoGammadion 02:23, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
J5: Ah ha, that's what I thought (about the laws). By discrete article, I meant a separate article about the laws themselves (not necessarily in any connection with the SGI article). If one doesn't already exist, it would likely consist of a description of the laws, when and why they were enacted, what effects they have had on their societies, and any pros and cons to them. With such an article available for readers to refer to, if you were to write something to the effect of "some of these activities potentially violate the [[Internal Security Laws]] of [[Country XXX]] for their potential to incite religious conflict and disrupt social cohesion". I have to get back to work, too… Best regards, Jim_Lockhart 07:15, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

Legality

G3: Apologies, the I.S.A/ Public Order is the enforcement act of the law, not the law statute itself. By the way, it's not religious equality but Religious Harmony Act(circa 1958). I will be using Singapore's Statutes for illustration:
any priest, monk, pastor, imam, elder, office-bearer or any other person who is in a position of authority in any religious group or institution or any member thereof has committed or is attempting to commit any of the following acts:
(a) causing feelings of enmity, hatred, ill-will or hostility between different religious groups;
Note that both Nichiren Shoshu Buddhist Association and SGI-Singapore (SSA) are registered religious groups in Singapore and that in discussion meetings that do involve the public in attendance, each group has been accusing each other of hoodwinking its members on wrongful behaviour of its leaders, thus generating a great deal of ill-will towards each other.
What this shows is that there is a lot to blame legally and not one group is giving way.-Gammadion 05:24, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Accessing court documents

J3: In your position as a librarian, can you access court decisions online?

R: I could only suggest where to go -- services like Lexis or Westlaw can provide court decisions, although I am not sure if they provide international law. But there is sure to be an international or Japanese equivalent. Unfortunately, I am a public and school librarian -- we can't afford those services! One could, however, go to a law library at any fairly large law firm and request that they do a search for you - it would cost you to print it, but probably not that much. Back in my orporate days, about 15 years ag, it would cost about $18 for a doc about 25 pages or so. Or one could go to an academic (university) library and ask for it. If they've got a law school, they've got these services. And of course, through interlibrary loan services, you or I - anyone, really, can get access to a lot from libraries across the state, or even the country -- but you need some kind of citations (or at least a title or author or something to help narrow the field) to get them.
J4: The reason I asked... Been called for dinner. Let me get back to this later. [never got back!]


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