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[edit] Mineral
Socialite is a mineral no longer mined. Wetman 08:34, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)
[edit] Society
Something's missing in this article: how socialites are essentially professional members of what the rich people call "Society". You know, Malcolm Forbes, opera subscribers, the people Liz Smith writes about, the Junior League, coming-out parties, debutantes, etc. There isn't an article about that kind of "Society" and that's what makes this article's wording awkward. Cleduc 04:12, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Take a stab at it! The article is going off-track with its listing of 'party girls'--that is, those who lead a notorious social life, as opposed to the socialite. 'Socialite' is NOT a synonym for 'spoiled rich girl'. Pet peeve: the 'examples' are fast becoming a LIST--perhaps inevitable on Wikipedia. I'm about to delete, delete. Create a list or a category, folks, please! Quill 07:46, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Juicee News Daily
The website Juicee News Daily www.juiceenewsdaily.com is using the text of this article without attribution [1], claiming copyright, and offering to license the content. I just sent the Standard GFDL violation letter to the editor (at mailto:press@juiceenewsdaily.com and mailto:landon@juiceenewsdaily.com) to ask them to attribute it properly and include GFDL notice. Status of complaint also here. Cleduc 5 July 2005 01:21 (UTC)
[edit] OMG, this list is horrible.
"a person who does little more than attend society functions is not usually considered a socialite; words such as playboy and party girl are used instead" Now look at the list linked far below. Paris Hilton a socialite?? No, rather a party girl! But yes, this list should actually not exist, as it's extremely subjective. -andy 80.129.72.228 12:14, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
- No argument outta me. Quill 03:30, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Term is gender-neutral
Sorry, but the prior version of the opening was much more accurate. I've checked three dictionaries to be sure; the word is in fact gender neutral and no mention is made of its being applied primarily to homosexual males. Nor it socialite defined as a person who entertains/is entertained, but rather as a socially prominent person (Merriam-Webster) Quill 03:29, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
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- If you define "socialite" as a socially prominent person, the term becomes far too nebulous. There are many members of prominent families who do not participate in any social activities at all and are not "prominent in fashionable society" to use American Heritage Dic. definition. By your defition, such persons could be considered socialites because they are socially prominent on the basis of their familial connections.
- Your definition does not define the word, it merely provides an example. I would also say that this definition "a person...social prominence who is considered to be an influential social figure" is a bit top heavy and ackwardly phrased, using the word "social" twice in the definition. "Fashionable society" again, to refer to the dictionary definition, consists of entertaining and being entertained. Therefore, my definition stands.
- I also disagree that the term is gender neutral. Socialite has historically applied to women and therefore, when applied to men, carries homosexual/bisexual connotations. Authors ranging from Dominick Dunne to Stephen Birmingham and columnists Liz Smith and Cindy Adams of the New York Post, and Aileen Mehle ( of W Magazine's Suzy column) routinely list gay/bisexual male social figures as socialites, but use other terms to describe heterosexual men. Men of wealth who have no profession generally do not like to draw attention to the fact, Stephen Birmingham's America's Secret Aristocracy, pub. 1987, among other sources support this. Other terms would be used to describe heterosexual men of leisure: Playboy, sportsman, clubman, gentleman. See our discussion at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_talk:Socialites Thesaunterer 15:29, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
- My definition'? Your definition? That is not what Wikipedia is. If you wish to add in objective discussion, be my guest, but do not simply state your opinion as fact. Quill 20:58, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
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- Please don't play semantics. This topic is already rife with personal opinion stated as fact. The point is to add a more accurate description of the word. I was merely stating that there is a precedent for what you call my "opinion". Thesaunterer 02:47, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
- You are indicating that you wish to remove the dictionary definition, because you have evidence of other use. Fine, add it, but do not state it as fact. The way you presented your argument was an examply of original thought. Here's an example to help make it clearer: the word "gay" was still defined as "happy" long after the most of the world would have thought of "homosexual" as the primary use. The word did not stop meaning "happy" overnight. 203.164.114.213 02:36, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
- Please don't play semantics. This topic is already rife with personal opinion stated as fact. The point is to add a more accurate description of the word. I was merely stating that there is a precedent for what you call my "opinion". Thesaunterer 02:47, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
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[edit] Last Paragraph Has to Go
"Although the word may sometimes be used to describe a person's occupation, a person who does little more than attend society functions is not usually considered a socialite; words such as playboy and party girl are used instead."
No, actually this is precisely what a socialite is. 'Playboy' and party girl are not necessarily synonyms.Thesaunterer 21:15, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Socialite
Isnt a socialite just someone who is famous for either no reason or a bad reason? example, Paris Hilton for her grotty amateur porn, Jade Goody for...noone really knows...
I suppose a good way to think of it is as a High-Society celebrity, who doesn't disgrace themselves by getting drunk, wearing provocative clothing or have a so-called "foul-mouth". Paris Hilton can be called a socialite, I guess, because she was born into an upper-class family with outstanding wealth and social standing- see "celebutante". True socialites were born into an upper-class families with LOTS of cash and them and their distant descendants will NEVER have to work. JADE GOODY IS NOT A SOCIALITE! 88.109.245.206 (talk) 09:23, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] See also: Celebrity
Celebrity should be a related entry.--Gkklein 15:31, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
- there ought to be a note on how "celebrity" and "socialite" differ. Not that "society", in this context, has a different meaning from "society-at-large".
[edit] Class
Socialite strongly implies upper class, particularly in societies that do not have a formal class structure. Thus, in the US, a socialite is oftem old money. 203.0.101.131 03:45, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Category
This is the main article for Category:Socialites. Just as the article Novel is not a novel, it is however what describes a novel. If you would like another example, check out Category:People. Having to explain this boggles the mind. Cleduc 23:24, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
