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Do we have any architects here to expand this article to include the Soc-Realist architecture? [[User:Halibutt|Halibutt]] 10:25, Sep 15, 2004 (UTC)
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[edit] Bias
This article has a strong anti-communist bias, to put it mildly, which is unfair, because much socialist realism is good art, and not crap, as the article's author suggests. A far more differentiated discussion of socialist realism is necessary. Also, the selection of images is terribly lopsided and shows minor works. As an expert on Soviet and post-Soviet art, I must say that this article is truly awful. One of the worst I've ever encountered on Wikipedia...Sorry...
- Obviously you'll have biases in english wiki. Who do you think writes the articles? People brought up in U.S. dogma. Do your best to combat it.
-G —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.24.151.248 (talk) 19:33, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] GDR
Someone added this:
- It is also often overlooked that the GDR had its own movement of Socialist Realism, separate from that of the USSR. It was pivotal in the rise and fall of the GDR.
Without explanations it is meaningless and useless. Mikkalai 00:55, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)
[edit] People's Republic of China
A recent edit just added the line
- However The People's Republic of China still produce idealised poster propoganda, for example to promote their recent manned space launch successes.
which I like. Is there any chance we could get an illustration of one of these posters? I guess it could be included under 'fair-use'. -- Solipsist 14:36, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Ref.Stalin
May be used somewhere. mikka (t) 16:38, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- Письмо И.В.Сталина Л.М.Кагановичу
- 15 августа 1934
- "Замечания на статью Горького считаю правильными. Нельзя печатать статьи без необходимых изменений. Надо разъяснить всем литераторам-коммунистам, что хозяином в литературе, как и в других областях, является только ЦК и что они обязаны подчинятся последнему беспрекословно"
- РГАСПИ. Ф.558. Оп.11. Д.83. Л. 67-69. Кат.70
[edit] Gallery
The Gallery of Socialist Realism was deleted AfD because of several editors were concern that it failed WP:NOT an image gallery. (After a discusion here that policy has been modified). Since one cannot understand an art movement without seeing many examples, I have added the gallery to the main article. Dsmdgold 15:34, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Mexican muralists
Wouldn't the art of the Mexican muralists of the first half of the 20th century qualify also as socialist realism? I think so. Those guys were at an individual level communists or at the very least socialists; the likes of Diego Rivera (one of his murals -at the Rockefeller center- was destroyed before being completed for being overtly socialist or something), David Alfaro Siqueiros, and José Clemente Orozco among others. If yes, perhaps they should be included; otherwise the article may give the impression that this art took place only the in soviet block. Anagnorisis 18:10, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
- I think the main difference is not the political leanings of the artists, but the governments. The Soviet Union and Nazi Germany prohibited modernist and avant-garde art and Socialist Realism became the state art (I forget what term is used for Nazi Germany, perhaps Heroic Realism). The Mexican Muralists were often communists and used socialist themes, but they weren't part of a government bureaucracy that limited how the art could look. But you're right, Rivera's Rockefeller center mural was taken down for political imagry, including an image of Lenin. Plus, the Mexican Muralists would often use modernist techniques, even though the work was representational. It wasn't "realist" in the same way as artists working under totalitarian regimes. Perhaps a small section could be devoted to other overtly political and Marxist art in other countries, but I wouldn't call it Socialist Realism as this is generally understood to refer to specifically Societ Bloc artists (and other Communist countries like China).Freshacconci 18:35, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
It's not merely the relation to the government. The techniques, intention and overall aesthetic are very different. It's not quite right to imply that there is an opposition realism vs. modernism, as Brecht, for example developed a form of realism (that definitely isn't socialist realism - he was persecuted for it failing to live up to the standard) which is also very modernist. If you were to include every communist or socialist artist in the category, a vast chunk of twentieth-century theatre, literature, painting, etc. would suddenly qualify. The use of 'realist' in 'socialist realism' is idiosyncratic (they're not very realistic, often). Perhaps it makes more sense to talk about an institutional field - Zhdanov's speeches at the First Soviet Writer's conference, for example. DionysosProteus 04:14, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Why the tag
?radek 22:29, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] External Links
I deleted the last external link to some russian site because the site tried to install a trojan (virus) and crashed firefox repeatable.
[edit] Non-free images
This article uses dozens of non-free images, many in galleries and without comment. As another user commented elsewhere, "Articles about moderns schools of art are expected to contain a high number of non-free images, as many non-free works of art are discussed/used as examples. But none image should be included if not discussed." I agree. This should be fixed. – Quadell (talk) (random) 18:30, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Architecture
I am not sure how a particular building can be said to be "Realist" or even "Socialist Realist". Could you have a building that isn't real ?Streona (talk) 00:51, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Stalin as an Organizer of the October Revolution.jpg
Image:Stalin as an Organizer of the October Revolution.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
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BetacommandBot (talk) 06:38, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
