Talk:Socialist Republic of Croatia
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[edit] Yugoslav Muslim Organization
WRT Jugoslovenska Muslimanska Organizacija (hope that sensible discussion is still possible on ex-Yu wiki pages). Yeah, it's name suggested that it was a party of Yugoslav Muslims. However it was really a national and religious party of the nation presently known as Bosniaks. Other predominantly Muslim nations (Albanians, Turks) had their own party, Cemiyet. All JMO leaders were from Bosnia. If a majority of editors think that this is not sufficient to link to the Bosniaks article, than I will withdraw. --Vedran 17:31, 6 Dec 2003 (UTC)
[edit] stubbiness
The article concentrates a lot on what are daily-political issues today, and makes no mention of e.g. what the Communist system brought (social security and relatively low crime rate, not just lack of free speech and investment opportunities), how many national parks and various tourist resorts were organized and the progress of industrialization, how the middle class appeared, how Zagreb became the largest industrial center of the country and the islands became depopulated, and all the other mundane stuff... --Joy [shallot] 00:35, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)
[edit] What?
There's no doubt that the JMO was nationalistic in nature. But I fail to see what it has to do with this particular article.
This article encompasses politics, economy, demography, disintegration...these are all important issues that came with Croatia being in the Second Yugoslavia. It is my fault that I did not include less important "mundane" subjects. I will revise this article to include it.
[edit] rewrite
User:Vincit omnia veritas basically rewrote the article on 2006-1-13, and it needs to be checked for NPOV. I only skimmed it for now, and it doesn't look good. --Joy [shallot] 22:26, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
Agreed. Article is fairly POV.Armandtanzarian 10:02, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
- Yes. I read the new version and it was written completely from the POV that Croats were subdued and dominated by Serbs throughout the second Yugoslavia, which is not even the mainstream view in Croatia anymore. This is a common technique - presenting internal political conflicts (in this case between Croatian communists and nationalists) as national struggle in which their side is "the nation", and the other is "traitors".
- I failed to find anything that can be made useful without major work, so I reverted to the January version. If somebody can find some useful content in [1], by all means, go ahead :) Zocky | picture popups 11:53, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Federal(neutral)-Stalinist-Socialist
There is a distinct difference between the federal state of croatia, people's republic and socialist republic. But if you want, change it. On the other hand it was a name-change. DIREKTOR
[edit] Merge People's Republic of Croatia and Federal State of Croatia with this article
Are the one and two sentence stubs at People's Republic of Croatia and Federal State of Croatia really necessary? All of the info from 1943-1963 is covered here just as Democratic Federal Yugoslavia and Federal People's Republic of Yugoslavia are included in Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia. — AjaxSmack 07:02, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Discuss
Personally I would not mind the merge. The change was significant, though. Note: the Federal State of Croatia was not an exclusively communist state (though they did control it more than anyone else), and the People's Republic of Croatia was a Stalinist state. The Socialist Republic was not, it was Titoist. The difference must be strongly emphasised after the merge. DIREKTOR 11:34, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
- What stalinist? Stalinism was kicked out during the Informbiro in 1948 and its followers were subjected to harsh oppression (Goli Otok and all). Or maybe you were trying to say that the "people's" adjective is of a stalinist type unlike the "socialist" adjective? That would be also untrue since the Union of the Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR) had also "socialist" in its name both during Stalin and post-Stalin daysU prolazu 14:21, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
I am fully aware of the history of SFR Yugoslavia, what's your point? DIREKTOR (TALK) 17:49, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
I eliminated the unverified Yugoslav POV in regards to the Catholic Church being suppressed because of it "role" in the Ustase regime which is a pure lie. Yes certain individual priests and friars left to fight for the Ustase by their own free will, however most renounced their vows or were excommunicated by bishops in the NDH. Stepinac was falsely accused of collaborating with the Ustase (even though he repeatedly denounced the crimes of both the Ustase and the Communists) because he wouldn't allow Tito to establish a National Catholic Church thus because of this the Church was suppressed and Stepinac was killed by the Communists along with hundreds of other priests. Please make this objective and not just another Communist-Tito worship entry in regards to Croatia raping it of any truth! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.129.44.17 (talk) 10:59, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
I completely support this merger, there is no reason to have three different articles about the same thing.--Footbalista (talk) 18:47, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Catholic Church in NDH
Here's a site where the truth is actually told> feel free to search for the truth About Catholic Church in HDH> http://churchinhistory.org/pages/booklets/croatia(n)-1.htm http://churchinhistory.org/pages/booklets/croatia(n)-2.htm http://churchinhistory.org/pages/booklets/croatia(n)-3.htm http://churchinhistory.org/pages/booklets/croatia(n)-4.htm
http://churchinhistory.org/pages/booklets/stepinac-sermans(n).htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by Objective Truth (talk • contribs) 11:31, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
