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[edit] Page being made POV by advocates

This page, along with Fred Newman and Lenora Fulani, is being made POV by advocates who are systematically removing most of the critical material. Help is needed to assure that this and the other pages are restored to NPOV status.--Cberlet 01:03, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure if this is the right place to post this as I'm relatively new to wikipedia. One question at hand, the relevance of Social Therapy as an entry in wikipedia can be easily put to rest. The East Side Institute;s website (www.eastsideinstitute.org), the founding body of Social Therapy, has an elaborate bibliography of articles published in a range of peer-reviewed journals, and , book chapters and books about social therapy, including several published by serious academic presses. You'll also note transcripts of presentation delivered at APA, NASW and elsewhere. Social therapy is also practiced in at least a dozen cities in the US. A trip to google will bring you to their websites.

As for the question of POV, the social therapy entry (which is brief) was written by one of its developers and practicioners. This would seem sensible For example, I'm quite certain the the "cognitive behvior therapy" entry was written by its practicioners. Anyone is free to add well-referrenced information (i.e. that which is not referrenced through obviously-slanderous websites) that speaks to the limitations of social therapy as a methodology within psychology. After all, isn't that the beauty of wikipedia?

In the unsigned posting above, the social therapy fan says "anyone is free to add well-referrenced information (i.e. that which is not referrenced through obviously-slanderous websites)...Isn't that the beauty of wikipedia?" (emphasis added) No, Mr. or Ms. Social Therapy, its the "beauty" of a totally closed mind...--Dking 01:11, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Removal of external links per WP:EL

Per WP:EL, Dennis King’s personal website and the ex-iwp website have been removed from the external links, WP:EL advises against using personal websites except in the case of acknowledged experts (King’s last published articles on Social Therapy are close to three decades old, and appeared in community newspapers). Discussion forums such as ex-iwp.org are also advised against. Freedomofmind.com and Rick Ross’ site are both commercial websites primarily designed to sell the services of these self proclaimed experts. Commercial websites are advised against as external links. As well, the “unverifiable” tag should not be applied to official sites, which are recommended for inclusion. BabyDweezil 23:05, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Per an admin's opinion regarding WP:EL, improper external links are being removed again. BabyDweezil 16:03, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Removal of external links by BabyDweezil are unfounded

Once again, Baby, your reasoning in does not fit nor justify your continued deletion (and vandalism) of properly cited external links; the opinion which you reference states this is a content dispute which the administrator is not familiar with so the administrator cannot jump in to make a judgment on content (and I admire this candor on the part of the administrator). The administrator states that you quote WP:EL correctly but that does not imply whatsoever that the terms and conditions of WP:EL apply to this particular issue nor that you are accurately using WP:EL here. But if you keep this up, you sincerely seem to be at risk at violating WP:3RR once again (unless you decide to return to personal attacks and bullying as a reaction to disagreement with your opinions) on all four Social Therapy/Newman Wikipages that you are incessantly vandalizing by continuously deleting properly sourced links by several other editors. I respectfully remind you of this [1] when it comes to “reporting all sides of a dispute.” GrownUpAndWise 06:42, 7 January 2007 (UTC).

Per an admin's opinion regarding WP:EL, cited above, improper external links are being removed. These links are to politically partisan websites, personal grudge websites, and commercial self proclaimed "cult expert" sites selling their wares. With some library skills you can probably find material in peer reviewed literature that critiques this therapeutic practice on its merits, not on grudges, politclally motovated attacks and gossip. BabyDweezil 18:13, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Commercial websites removed from links

The freedomofmind and Rick Ross commercial websites have been removed from EL. These sites exist to sell the "services" of these self proclaimed experts and are simply commercial competitors of social therapy. They have no position on social therapy and have never studied it. Whatever archive material they have is duplicated on the other sites. Per WP:EL removed. BabyDweezil 15:52, 8 January 2007 (UTC)