Talk:Social Democratic Party of Germany

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There's an inconsistency between the German and English versions. English says "the oldest party"; German "one of the oldest parties". So, which one is more precise? --Menchi 22:16 10 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Clarified. It is the oldest that still exists. djmutex 22:57 10 Jul 2003 (UTC)
Hrm. Now I'm confused myself. I see that ZENTRUM, as irrelevant as it may be today, advertises itself as "the oldest party of Germany, founded in 1870." Now either the SPD is wrong, which celebrated its 140th anniversary of its foundation in 1863 this year, or the ZENTRUM should be sued for anticompetitive advertising. djmutex 23:11 10 Jul 2003 (UTC)
The SPD considers itself the successor of the ADAV (founded in 1863) and the SDAP (founded in 1869). Both organisations merged to the SAP in 1875, which was renamed to SPD in 1890. If you take 1875 as the actual founding date, SPD is the second oldest party of Germany. Zentrum was founded in 1870 and still exists. I think 1869 is the legitimate founding date, because SDAP was a real political party and the predecessor of SPD, whereas ADAV was more like an association. This would mean it really is the oldest party of Germany.
(Jan, Germany) --80.134.146.150 22:40, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)

M 12:41, 9 Mar 2004 . . Jonesy (Deleted reference to SDP being the second richest party in the world - no evidence. The Chinest CP is not the richest party either - apparently the KMT is.)

No Evidence? What about the "Deutsche Druck- und Verlagsgesellschaft" they are the holding company the SPD uses. What that company owns is already enough to put them in one of the first places. But perhaps you are right an evidence containing listing of all their known shares of companies might be a better idea. In the spirit of Wikipedia we should collect some suggestions from other users: gavar

I am not entirely sure how this helps your point. This does not prove that the German SDP is the second richest party in the world, merely that is has a certain degree of wealth. Nowhere on the internet is there anything that backs up your assertion. Furthermore the KMT (that is, the Chinese Nationalists), are frequently described as the richest party in the world, which also contradicts your assertion that the Chinese Communist Party is the wealthiest. Unless you find evidence that the German SDP actually is the second richest party in the world, then it should not be included in this article. Jonesy 16:44, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)

My Source of Information in this case (which was not the Internet) might be outdated. I am looking further into the matter as some sources on the internet as I found out today are in fact saying that KMT is No.1. Have you actually found a source saying this is no.1 this no.2 or are you saying its not possible to rank partys' wealth. gavar

My actual point was merely this - there is no evidence for the assertion that the German SDP is the second wealthiest party in the world. However, you have brought up an interesting point, which is it's pretty much impossible to find out which political organisation is richest. For example, in the United States of America, there is a division of political funding in that you will have funds for the Democratic/Republican parties to run for Senate and Congress, and other funds for a Democ/Repub presidential campaign. How exactly do we define the wealth of a given party? To be honest, I don't think it is a particularly important point, funding for parties changes from year to year, it's difficult to know how wealthy a party is, and we don't have any reliable sources to tell us. I suggest we simply wrap this discussion up and simply don't include this piece of information.


A list of chairmen before 1933 would be nice, but I'm not able to find it. Elizabeth A 18:15, 15 May 2004 (UTC)

The section on the Schröder government certainly doesn't seem NPOV to me. The fourth paragraph in particular goes off the rails, and the rest of it reads like an advertisement for the WASG.

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[edit] Added link to English portion of party website

I think it would be most helpful, considering this is the English Wikipedia, to have a link to the English localized portion of the SPD website. Therefore, I have added it. --Dragon695 03:35, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Page name

In order to achieve consistency with other political party articles, shouldn't this article be renamed Social Democratic Party (Germany)? Lincolnite 22:17, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Factual Error?

"Through the Anti-Socialist Laws, Otto von Bismarck had the party outlawed for its pro-revolution, anti-monarchy sentiments in 1878; but in 1890 it was legalized again"

From what I remember of A-level history, Bismarck didn't actually ban the party did he? He banned anything that promoted "class warfare", and made permits a requirement for public meetings; or have I got the wrong end of the stick?MJ 16:18, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

This is my recollection as well. The SPD was not allowed to hold public meetings, and so forth, but they did have candidates who stood for office, and were elected to the Reichstag and so forth. john k 16:28, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Two little changes

1. "In 1966 the coalition of the civic CDU and the liberal FDP lost its majority and a Grand Coalition between CDU and SPD was formed under the leadership of CDU Chancellor Kiesinger."

The coalition still had a majority. In the 1965 federal elections CDU/CSU and FDP together won 294 seats while the SPD gained 202 seats.

CDU/CSU and FDP had different opinions on taxes and economy, also chancellor Luwig Ehrhard lost support in his own party. He was forced to resign and Kiesinger built the Grand Coalition.

I changed this: "In 1966 the coalition of the civic CDU and the liberal FDP broke and a Grand Coalition between CDU and SPD was formed under the leadership of CDU Chancellor Kiesinger."


2. "Later, to contest the early federal election called by Schröder after the SPD lost heavily in a state election in his home state of North Rhine-Westphalia [...]."

The homestate of Schröder is not North Rhine-Westphalia but Lower Saxony, as it is said earlier in the article. The SPD held North Rhine-Westphalia since 1966, for this reason their defeat led to early federal elections.

I changed this: "Later, to contest the early federal elections called by Schröder after the SPD lost heavily in a state election in their traditional stronghold of North-Rhine-Westphalia [...]."

Max, Germany 83.189.58.150 18:47, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lemma changed

Hi,

I also made "of Germany" bold, because the "D" in SPD means "of Germany". Therefore it is part of the party's name. That's what I think of it as a german - hope this is ok? Regards, --Bmhm 19:39, 1 August 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Policies?

While it's platform are in the info box at the top, I think it would be a useful addition to add in something on its policies. The CDU page has it, and while I realize a German political party isn't the most important category of subjects on English wikipedia, some similarities, especially useful ones such as policy, should probably be included.

MagicBear (talk) 00:48, 25 March 2008 (UTC)