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These are my definition of Soca and Calypso

Soca - Soul Calypso( the soul of our African ancestors mixed with the social commentaries of our situation in the Caribbean}. Calypso - Political or social commentary told in a song.

CP.

Eddy Grant made an album called 'Soca Baptist' and claimed in the sleevenotes to have invented the genre. Can anyone explain this to me? Mighty Sparrow is calypso in my book.

NT

There is a recursive defination used. Chutney is based on Soca and Soca is based on Chutney, that does not make sense.

Chirags 23:42, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Recursive, but true.  :) Guettarda 02:58, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Soca is not soul and calypso. That fact should be corrected.

The article explicitly agrees with you. What would you like corrected? Tuf-Kat 08:12, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Soca

Soca is NOT derived from Chutney. Soca is based upon the roots of Calypso. Chutney is an fusion of Soca and Hindi or Indian music. Soca was started and mostly done by Indian descents (Indo-Trinidadians, Indo-Guyanese, etc).

Actually the then Lord Shorty blended Indian rhythms with kasio to give birth to soca. In addition, while soca had a large influence on chutney, chutney has also influenced soca. Guettarda 18:30, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Chutney

Music of India I changed it from "Calypso and music of India" to "Calypso and music of the Indias"...the indias are fags and smell like shit ! the caribbean islands, while India is the asian country...and it is Calypso+Chutney, where chutney is caribbean (though inspired in music from India, is not from India) I know chutney was originated by music of India+Caribbean music, but if you want to say a genre was inspired by music of India, it is chutney directly, not soca directly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by AFOH (talk • contribs)

No, the origins of soca are not chutney, but actual Indian music. In addition, "music of the Indias" does not mean Caribbean music - it quite frankly doesn't mean anything in standard English. Guettarda 01:27, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] My Two Cents(Sense)

In many ways, Soca is all of those things and more. It is "Soul Calypso"; Calypso infused with American Soul and Blues Music; it is also the fusion of Chutney (Chatné, according to some ) and Afro-Creole tribal-folk dance music (The Bongo, the Bélé and so on). Two other things that must be kept in mind when understanding the origins of Soca is (1) The influence of the other Caribbean Music-forms (2) The influence of New Recording Techniques and Electronic/ELectro-Acoustic Instruments on the Music of Soca —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ishango (talk • contribs) 04:18, August 22, 2007 (UTC).

[edit] um

"Trinidad and Tobago has been renowned for its magnificent carnivals,calypso and in this century's only musical invention: the steel pan."

the electric guitar was invented in this century, too. and the theremin. =/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.138.181.84 (talk) 02:13, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The Past & Present of Soca Music:

When Soca was first created in the '60s by Lord Shorty he mixed two (2) genres of the time. He mixed Calypso and Indian rhythms / Local Chutney music (songs of Sundar Popo). Which was actually the music blending African and Indian roots music. He called this new form of music "SOul CAlypso", but to make it short he called it SOCA.

A lot people are very confused and are thinking that the "Soul" in "Soul Calypso" came from Soul music in the "60s, but it wasn't. Lord Shorty just gave it the title of "Soul Calypso".

The meaning of Soca faded into the early '90s. Some artists were forgetting the actual meaning of Soca. The songs had the beat of Calypso in it but there was no Indian / Chutney rhythm in the songs. And currently, artists are blending Dancehall Reggae, American Soul/R&B, and even some elements of Hip Hop into Soca! The form of Soca of what the artists are calling it is "Ragga Soca" or sometimes just plain SOCA. Some artists are rapping, using "gangster-like" chattings, and sometimes even using cuss words in their songs.

I'm an Indo-Guyanese and I like the new things that are in the Soca music now (including Carnival songs), but the artists need to "bring back the Indian section of SOCA music", because that is what it was a part of.

If you can get chance listen to these few songs and compare it to Soca music of 2007. And try to identify the difference (if you have these songs):

1. "Gimme De Ting" - Lord Kitchener (1984) 2. "Om Shanti Om" - Lord Shorty (1980) 3. "Sugar Bum Bum" - Lord Kitchener (1978) 4. "Curry Tabanca" - Mighty Trini (1987) 5. "Nani Wine" - Crazy (1989) 6. "Sumintra" - Rikki Jai (1988) 7. "Buss Up Shot" - Baron (1985) 8. "Tiney Winey" - Byron Lee (1985 Jamaica) —Preceding unsigned comment added by DJ Rumshopmon (talk • contribs) 16:17, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Some great comments here. I am myself a little dissapointed in this article. In the past couple years in the Caribbean I have been listening to as much music as I can get my hands on, and the variety is tremendous. Soca has certainly evolved a lot in a short span. I certainly agree with the above editors mention of dance hall reggae influence in modern soca. A lot of modern soca, especially in smaller caribbean nations is more and more relying on electronic music and beats and less on actual musicians. This is almost a completely different music then soca of only a decade ago. Some of todays Soca resembles its outside influences far more then it resembles its Calypso roots. I would love to see this article greatly expanded to cover the variety of music labeled as Soca and greater detail put into its evolution and influences. I am no soca scholar myself (and personally dislike modern soca, but love more traditional soca) I would love to be able to contribute but dont have the knowledge needed, I highly encourage people like the above editor to jump in and contribute to expand this article. Russeasby 00:13, 3 November 2007 (UTC)