Talk:Soapland
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Whoever it was that made the last edit (about Soaplands for gay men) could you explain what businesses you're talking about? I've never seen/heard of any, and I've read the major Japanese gay guides. Exploding Boy 18:50, May 26, 2005 (UTC)
- If there is no evidence, move it to the talk page until some is produced. Justinc 22:51, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Illegal?
Prostitution was not made illegal. Rather, several things related to prostitution were made illegal in order to prevent abuse of the prostitutes. I would therefore propose rewritting the last section which implies that prostitution (as it occures in the general sense: coital and non-cotial) is illegal. However, there is a law aginst furnishing a buisness for prostitution (full coitus) which would apply to Soapland.
Non-coitus acts are regulated, and therefore are a legitimate form of buisness as defined by the Businesses Affecting Public Morals Regulation Law of 1948.
[edit] Nationwide contest
A nationwide contest for renaming brothels in Japan - come off it! This, at the very least, is an over exageration - and if there is not a direct link to the source, I suggest it be removed. Otherwise it adds to the 'aren't the Japanese strange' pseudo racism that is prevelant. What do others think?
[edit] Yoshiwara
Yoshiwara does not exist in modern Tokyo - and when Yoshiwara did exist, Soaplands did not. I move to change this to Kabukicho - where Soaplands are rife. Any objections?
Am changing Kunchan 18:57, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
Yes it does exist still in Yoshiwara in numbers more than 100. It is the biggest complex of soaplands in Tokyo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MOMO0307 (talk • contribs) 08:29, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] About Soaplands; some data that should possibly be added.
In Susukino (the Sapporo blue-light district (about the same as red, but still keeping the 'secret' in 'open secret)), gaijin aren't usually welcome in businesses where sex may occur for reasons that include the embarrassment of the locals (it's hard for a salaryman to relax with gaijin around), different body type (gaijin tend to have body hair and--even if you shave it all off, have different odors and shapes), communication problems (mochiron), assumptions (the stock answer is that 'gaijin make difficult requests'...probably for things that only specialists do.), and flat out ethnocentrism.
Tempted by the idea of a bubble dance and saddened (and a little offended) at my exclusion as a gaijin, I asked (politely, in Japanese) some of the soapland operators if all said establishments excluded gaijin, and was eventually given the name of one or two (Nyu Yookaa; I had to take a Taxi to find it.)
The routine is:
Waiting room (so you don't see other guests.) Escorted to shower room. Undress, sit, be bathed everywhere, slowly, with soap. Rinsed, soak in the bath. Both brush teeth. KY and water mixed and put on air mattress. Girl puts you on mattress where you are passively (so don't try to use your hands!) 'bubble-danced'; she slides her body on and around yours in ways expertly calculated to produce almost overwhelming pleasant sensations.
Then the possible (probable) 'release', where it may be okay for you to return caresses (ask.)
Then rinsed and washed and rinsed and possibly massaged or showered (depending on how much time you have left) and done.
I was feeling pretty unwelcome in Japan after being excluded from every 'unusual' bar and establishment around (as well as some normal restaurants and shops), and found I liked the country less as a result. Knowing that there are exceptions--if you look hard enough--helps me cling to my affection for this place. So, I thought I'd come online and share in the hopes that some of this information might make it to the original article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.216.124.124 (talk) 03:35, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
