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[edit] Welcome!

Hello, Snuppy, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Again, welcome! Mushroom (Talk) 16:09, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Regarding reversions[1] made on February 24, 2007 to Jack Off Jill

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Please refrain from undoing other people's edits repeatedly. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. Rather than reverting, discuss disputed changes on the talk page. The revision you want is not going to be implemented by edit warring. Thank you. Cbrown1023 talk 17:43, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Chemmani mass graves

Thanks for your third opinion, it sets the stage to take it to mediation. Thanks RaveenS 20:52, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thank You

For your recent comments regarding Children of Men. I agree with your opinion about some serious OWN issues going on. Myself, I actually tried to stay away from the article, after Viriditas bullied me and a few others away with name-calling, threats and edit-warring. I kept an eye on it, though, and got tired of him reverting almost anyone who made a choice that didn't fit his view of the article. Frankly, I don't know where to report OWN issues or his bad behavior. nyway, thanks for speaking up. Your voice is appreciated.Arcayne 00:32, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately, after you weighed in, an admin directly connected to Viriditas (the other editor in the dispute) weighed in, of course in Viriditas' favor. If I wanted to dispute this further, how would I do so?Arcayne 01:27, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you Holiday Magic

Thank you for your recent opinion on Holiday Magic. I realize it may have seemed to be a trivial question. However, it was not. I have added a reply under your comments. Thank you. Lsi john 01:08, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Thank you very much. That selection of words pretty much nails the description I've been trying, unsuccessfully, to articulate. Now to determine exactly what is required to prove that. Thanks again.. Lsi john 03:51, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I see in the Third-Opinon Talk discussion she's trying to stop me from moving forward, and again on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Editor_assistance/Requests she chimed in to block my request for help. Lsi john 15:50, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Allegations of mass graves at Chemmani

A request for mediation has been filed with the Mediation Committee that lists you as a party. The Mediation Committee requires that all parties listed in a mediation must be notified of the mediation. Please review the request at Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Allegations_of_mass_graves_at_Chemmani, and indicate whether you agree or refuse to mediate. If you are unfamiliar with mediation, please refer to Wikipedia:Mediation. There are only seven days for everyone to agree, so please check as soon as possible.

I know you just provided third opinion but I really believe that your input will be extremely valid. Please consider this invite. If you disagree to this then please forgive me and you can remove yourself. Watchdogb 21:59, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Fair enough. Thanks for the reply on my talk page. Sorry for the disturbance Watchdogb 10:42, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for stepping up

Thanks for stepping up and taking on that 3O at cults/government reports article 3O. I was beginning to think nobody would take a bite of that apple. Just the discussion-reading alone had to be gruesome. It says a lot about your character that you were willing to take it on.

Thanks.

Peace in God. Lsi john 15:36, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

You're only saying that because I agree with you. Just wait til I agree with Smee on something! Snuppy 15:56, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
Hahaha.. funny, but naa, I have no issue with opinions going either way. When I give a thank-you, I'm sincere. I don't toss out smiles, thank-you's and awards on userpages without good reason.
In the case of the gov-report issue, it has been very contentious and the 3O-request sat there, untouched, for quite some time. I'm not sure whether I would have wanted to touch it myself. Simply going through the sheer volume of discussion, in order to see both sides, was a huge undertaking. You did that, and you gave a very concise and well-supported opinion. And I would have commended you for that, regardless of your opinion.
I try to remain NPOV on issues and stick to the rules. I will not object to what I see as relevant, accurate, reliable material. There is sufficient POV, OR and misquoted citations in these articles, without my having to contest legitimate, significant and relevant references.
Though, as you (sort of) imply, it is interesting that Smee and I are crossing paths so often, given that my NPOV goal is to remove POV and OR, and improve the articles and that I'm not really adding new material. I'll stop short of drawing conclusions.
Thanks again. Lsi john 17:37, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
  • also, I asked a followup Q to your est 3O. It appears that several of those 'cited by other works' references contain OR descriptions of intent.
Lsi john 17:37, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
  • another followup. I'm trying to get a basic understanding of when something can/should be included and when it can't/shouldn't. Specifically, whats the difference between the stuff you recommended to remove and the stuff I'm discussing now. Lsi john 19:50, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
  • thanks again mate. For me, that entire article's notability is in serious question. However, with the extra fluff, an uninformed reader, at a casual glance, could easily assume that the article was well sourced and cited. Yet once the 'extra' unnecessary (and only superficially related) stuff is removed, the stark emptiness of the article is revealed. At the end of the day, that article says 'Once upon a time, there was a book, and a couple people mentioned it. the end'.
And pfhththt, I'm not upset at all that you gave a 'retain' opinion, so na na na na na. :-} I have half a mind to give you a BarnStar. Ok, well I have half a mind.
Peace in God. Lsi john 20:36, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Btw, if you aren't watching. You might notice how Smee has now added additional wording and strayed even further toward OR by implying things about the source that aren't so 'obvious' from the title. I have no desire to fight him on this issue, it just demonstrates the problem of subtle POV interests to 'tie in' extra terms and 'imply' things that aren't necessarily true. One or two things get removed, and two more get added. Lsi john 22:45, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

I agree that your son is much more important and fun. I also respectfully disagree that the Viz citation, when taken as worded, isn't OR. But I've already acknowledged that I'm being technical. The statement, as worded, claims that the source being cited "was attempting to analyzing the way the trainers emulated Erhard" which is not supportable and isn't related to the book 'est'. And, as I said above, I am not interested in fighting him over this issue. There are much bigger and more serious issues to be uncovered, and son's to be played with! Thanks again for taking the time. Lsi john 01:47, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Further input needed

Can you give further input at Talk:Est Playing the Game, please? This is the issue:

  1. Source - "Seminar leaders were trained to resemble as closely as possible both the teaching and personality of Werner Erhard. The main goal of the training was to get the participants to "transform their ability to experience living." The key word is experience, since the main thrust is not on new ways to believe or think but on new ways to experience."
  2. Article sentence - "Clayton Vitz cited the book in Psychology As Religion: The Cult of Self-Worship, while attempting to analyze the est experience and the way that the trainers emulated Erhard."
  • The issue is whether or not the Source supports the statement made in the article, and/or how to reword it so that some context is provided as to how Vitz is using the book as a source. Please respond on the article's talk page. Thank you for your time. Yours, Smee 23:19, 22 May 2007 (UTC).

[edit] The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar

The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
I, Smee, hereby give The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar to Snuppy. Thank you for maintaining such a polite and kind demeanor with editors on all sides when delving into difficult issues and providing neutral comments. Your efforts are appreciated by the community. Thank you. Yours, Smee 23:51, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Planescape

The Original Barnstar
For cleaning up the article Planescape, which was in a terrible state before you worked your magic on it. A commendable effort! Gavin Collins (talk) 08:17, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Request for Mediation?

Hello - I am alerting you that we are preparing a Request for Mediation regarding Gavin.collins. BOZ (talk) 03:38, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Regarding Planescape, requesting a third opinion regarding the notability tag, as part of the dispute resolution process would be a good idea. BOZ (talk) 17:45, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Now that is a first! Welcome to Wikipedia!--Gavin Collins (talk) 18:26, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
Never said it wasn't a good idea - just wasn't familiar with it until I saw you using it recently. :) I found out how much of an important part of the dispute resolution process it was while reading up on how RfM's work. BOZ (talk) 18:37, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
Since Gavin hasn't conceded the point on the Talk page, I do have some concern that he'll be back with cleanup tags. I'll request the 30. Snuppy 18:44, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
Good deal. :) BOZ (talk) 18:50, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
If you like, you could also go with an article RFC on Kender - "Should fictional characters be considered part of the plot?" or something like that. It would have to be RFC, since 3O is strictly for disagreements between two editors. Heck, Gavin even suggested it on the talk page for that article. :) BOZ (talk) 19:07, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
Matter of fact - I think I'll give a look at that one. :) BOZ (talk) 19:11, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

I am alerting you that we are now considering a Request for Arbitration regarding him as an alternative to mediation, and would like your opinion on the matter. BOZ (talk) 13:43, 24 April 2008 (UTC)