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[edit] Yr Wyddfa mention

The name Yr Wyddfa is mentioned in Snowdon article, but it is confusing to mention it here while saying that the area is named after Snowdon because that's not true in Welsh. Deleted Yr Wyddfa and added Eryri.

[edit] Black n white pic

Hiya. I've got a picture at Image:Bristly_ridge_in_winter.jpg if that's any use to this, or similar articles. Ojw 00:07, 5 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Sorry to be a "wet blanket" but we really need colour pics of a National Park and yours is black and white. Others may be happy with black and white, but I'm sure colour pics will come along soon enough. Cheers! - Adrian Pingstone 09:47, 5 Jan 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Geology

I'm not sure this page should be classfied Category:Geology of the United Kingdom. Apart from a brief mention of slate at Blaenau Ffestiniog, there's no geologising at all. -- Pseudonym 16:30, 8 Aug 2005 (UTC)

[edit] External links on page

Please do not add commercial links or links to your own private websites to Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a vehicle for advertising or a mere collection of external links. You are, however, encouraged to add content instead of links to the encyclopedia. If you feel the link should be added to the article, then please discuss it on the article's talk page rather than re-adding it. See the welcome page to learn more about Wikipedia. Thank you. --Nigel (Talk) 15:40, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

The above message from Nigel suggested that I discuss my desire to have a link to www.snowdonia-active.com. The site is no more commercial than a number of the other sites on the snowdonia page. Yes the site does contain a directory listing of businesses and service providers but it also has up to date news on economic, environmental and social issues issues affecting the region, a series of area and activity guides for those seeking futher info on outdoor activities in the area and a document library containing information on social and economic projects and studies that Snowdonia-Active have been closely involved with, in the region including a strategy to facilitate young local people into greater involvement in outdoor activities and hopefully into working in outdoor activities/education allowing them to remain living in the area thus helping to sustain the local economy, culture and language. I feel (yes I am biase) that the site should not be dissmissed as a comercial site seeking to use and abuse wikipedia but more a valuable information resource for those with an interest (perhaps yet to be discovered) in Snowdonia. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.7.23.166 (talk • contribs) 16:14, 6 Sep 2006 (UTC) Thanks Chris :)

Reaction rather than thought but I'll think it through and put on some more tomorrow. I think quite a few of the others should go! Take a look at WP:EL & WP:SPAM and bear in mind that Wiki is not a tourist directory but an encyclopedia (& yes I do like Snowdonia a lot). The trouble is that there are many - in your words - biased web master or similar who are all sure that their website has something to offer. They all do but probably not on Wiki. But I will think about it and get back to you I promise --Nigel (Talk) 16:24, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
OK - looked at all the oethrs (as I had before) nothing there is strictly commercial. In practice I am not in favour of links (& have removed yours before). Wiki is an encyclopedia not a directory and external links are rarely valid. If you want to contribute something other than links (I imagine you know the area well) great but I will be keeping an eye on the page (& plenty of other like it). Regards --Nigel (Talk) 09:52, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Nige, "nothing there is strictly commercial" Snowdonia and Mountain Visitors Guide is covered in google adverts? You are obviously doing a good job keeping an eye on things but there seems to be a bit of a mismatch between your reasoning and the apearance of links to commercial sites on wikipedia surely there has to be one rule for all? Thanks for your time. Chris:) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 213.210.57.113 (talk • contribs) 16:10, 7 Sep 2006 (UTC)


Hum I detect a hint of sarcasm there. Interesting point tho - I use a fairly heavy duty HOSTS file (guess where I found the info) so I don't see the ads on it. However I'll remove that one to and bear that in mind on future sites. If you want to add to wiki - great - if you want to post links to your website then any number of editors will remove it --Nigel (Talk) 16:23, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks again Nigel, I have a much clearaer understanding of how wikipedia works now, which is nice. I may well get round to adding some content if I get a quiet moment. Thanks, Chris


[edit] Removed from article: "Some quotes"

This section struck me as something of a disguised POV-fest ("we can't say how great Snowdonia is in our own words, but if we quote other people it's all right"). But one or two of them might be useful in context (e.g. a section about tourism and its history), so I'm moving them here.

Over the years much has been written about Snowdonia and North Wales, including the following quotes -

  • "Views. Snowdonia has them in such spectacular abundance that you quickly run out of superlatives to describe them. At the top of every peak a glorious vista unfolds. Each bend in the road unfurls to reveal a new perspective of gasp-inducing splendour."
Francis Hardy, Daily Mail reporter, 14.12.2002
  • "Perhaps in the whole world there is no region more picturesquely beautiful than Snowdonia, a region of mountains, lakes, cateracts and groves, in which Nature shows herself in her most grand and beautiful forms."
George Borrow, "Wild Wales", 1862
  • "Snowdonia is superbly beautiful country ...."
John Wyatt, "The National Parks of England & Wales", 1988
  • "It (Snowdonia) comprises, within a comparatively small area, some of the loveliest and most varied country that our island has to offer."
Penguin Guide to North Wales, 1949
  • "... collected into a small space, more that is graceful, beautiful and romantic, may be found in North Wales than in any other spot in Europe."
Louisea Costello, "The Falls, Lakes and Mountains of North Wales", 1839

--Blisco 19:06, 8 October 2006 (UTC)


[edit] 'Snowdonia National Park' Merge

Shouldn't this be merged with Snowdonia National Park? There seems to be only a very minimal difference in the areas. Morwen - Talk 15:35, 29 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Yeah. Is there actually a difference? Snowdonia is the national park right? or do they represent slightly different areas? Did the name Snowdonia exist before the national park was declared? Anyone know? -- Nojer2 08:47, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
They Should be merged because it would mean less digging around and being able to use the whole lot offline not just one part

I've proposed a merger of this article with Snowdonia National Park, since (as mentioned by Morwen above) there is minimal difference between the two areas. Admittedly many people, including myself, tend to think of Snowdonia as the Snowdon area excluding the Rhynogydd and Cadair Idris, but the distinction is now fairly blurred; indeed this article covers the whole national park. If there are no objections I'll merge the two in the near future. --Blisco 11:48, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Agree. I confess I found it strange that there were two pages (while respecting a more local view). --Herby talk to me 11:52, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
Yes, I agree. Go ahead with a merger, but be sure to retain the initial paragraph which clearly defines how the two are perceived.

Hogyn Lleol 13:10, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Merger done. --Blisco 19:06, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pronouncitation

Could someone had a pronounciation guide (IPA) for the Welsh "Eryri"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.82.101.226 (talk) 07:14, 23 November 2007 (UTC)