Talk:Smaug

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[edit] Zmeu

Any relation to the Romanian dragon zmeu?

Slavic_dragon might tell. --DLL 16:38, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Potential expansion of Smaug

Is there more that can be said about Smaug? Almost certainly. I believe that Tolkien drew a picture of Smaug, so that should be mentioned. There should also be something about Smaug's voice and his cunning. The article also needs rewriting to reflect the plotlines better. As for secondary literature about Smaug, there should be some things that can be quoted and referenced, hopefully including something comparing Smaug with dragons in mythology and other stories (both by Tolkien and by others). I'll see what I can find, unless someone else finds stuff first. It should also be possible to list several of the more notable artworks of Smaug that are used in editions of 'The Hobbit'. Also, there have been numerous plays done of 'The Hobbit', so some mention of Smaug in relation to those should be possible. The disambiguation hatnote at the top is an example of Smaug inspiring uses in popular culture, so that would be a good start to a "popular culture" section. The portrayals could also mention the two radio versions of 'The Hobbit'. All this should help address the "in universe" concerns expressed here. Carcharoth 09:56, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Last time I tried including a comparison of HP plot to Beowulf, just recently as it happens, it immediately got struck out by someone citing fiction guidelines and demanding references to demonstrate that this was not OR. Something of an irony, really, given the debate i have been having on the fiction guideline page. But leads to my concern that taken strictly the guidelines might amount to permitting nothing to be inclued. Sandpiper 16:09, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

These books and these essays will no doubt provide more than enough information to fully flesh out this article. And, Sandpiper, if you did not cite your sources, the editor who removed your edits was perfectly within his or her rights. WP:CITE and WP:NOR are quite clear on this. — BrianSmithson 17:20, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
There's a close reading of Smaug compared to Miðgarðsorm, the slaying of Fafnir by Sigurð, and the dragon killed by Beowulf, in J.R.R. Tolkien: Author of the Century by Tom Shippey, pp. 36-40, ISBN 0-261-10401-2 --zippedmartin 04:53, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
As I said, there is a danger that these guidelines a written would entitle someone to delete everything. Sandpiper 01:18, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Sandpiper - if you can get your comparison of Beowulf and HP published, then it can be cited. Until then, it is OR. Though sometimes Wikipedia is a great place to get inspiration for new ideas, and I think there should be a place to deposit these OR ideas so that others can provide sources or they can be published somewhere. Carcharoth 00:39, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thrush

If memory serves me, wasn't the thrush in fact Gandalf?--Snideology 00:48, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

No. TCC (talk) (contribs) 07:06, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

But feel free to christen it "Gandalf" if you feel it deserves a name. Gandalf could be called "Jane". Not050 (talk) 01:18, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Swap

Actually, while I'm here, I think I'll just move the "abilities" section closer to the beginning rather than the end, so that it follows on from a reference to the character in the plot rather than a section on how Tolkien thought of his name. Not050 (talk) 01:27, 21 January 2008 (UTC)