Talk:Slut Night
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[edit] "The nation"?
"The nation"? Which nation? Saudi Arabia? Namibia? Tonywalton | Talk 00:51, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] "Globalize"?
The {{globalize}} tag currently reads:
- The examples and perspective in this article or section may not represent a worldwide view.
- Please improve the article or discuss the issue on the talk page.
How can something limited to the United States be expanded so that it "represents a worldwide view"? What nonsense is that?
If there are similar activities around the world, the thing to do would be to add a "See also" section. <KF> 18:32, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Stale link, access date in the future
I removed this from the article because the accessdate is in the future and the URL doesn't seem to be correct. TableManners 06:22, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
<ref name="Joëlle-Circé Laramée">{{cite web
| last =Laramée
| first =Joëlle-Circé
| title=Come party with us: Butch-Femme Night
| publisher=Yahoo groups
| date=Dec 23, 2006
| url = http://ca.groups.yahoo.com/group/SlutNightCanada/message/7
| accessdate=2007-07-18}}</ref>
- access date is July 17th which iis fine but yahoo groups seems to not longer exist which is part of the reason the butch-femmes tend to use more secure private networks.Benjiboi 06:43, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] "mainly for dykes and lesbians"
This edit added back "dykes and lesbians". I had removed "dykes" because it might be considered pejorative and it appears in this context to be completely redundant. I'll remove the redundancy now. Feel free to revert me if the term "dykes" is not already included with the use of the term "lesbians". TableManners 04:09, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
- Reversed edit. Dyke and lesbian (both with multiple qualifiers) are distinct terms in the queer communities and both are appropriate in the article's context. Benjiboi 09:52, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
- Wikipedia serves a community larger than "the queer communities". What information is lost by simply using lesbian? TableManners 06:36, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
- Per your description of the distinction being only in the homosexual communities, and hence, jargon, I have reverted it. If you could provide a link to a dictionary that shows that these distinct connotations (dyke v. lesbian) go beyond the homosexual communities, I think that would help. TableManners 07:09, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
- Wikipedia serves a community larger than "the queer communities". What information is lost by simply using lesbian? TableManners 06:36, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
- Dyke is amongst the derogatory terms reclaimed by the queer community. I have re-added the term with the qualifier "self-proclaimed" and included a reference to address the concerns you correctly raise that many would not know this is not meant in a negative way. Benjiboi 23:59, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
- Okay, I am taking a breather from editing this article on this point. However, other terms have been reclaimed by other groups (e.g., the N. word among too many rappers). Use of such a word in an article lead about an annual meeting of rappers would not, in my opinion, be encylopediac. TableManners 03:12, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
- They might if said meeting was named so and actually not an annual meeting but many local meetings and one annual one and all were called that. See also Dyke March, Dyke (lesbian) or Dykes on Bikes that lead many of the LGBT parades. Benjiboi 11:36, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
- With respect, Benjibo, I was not contesting the term "slut" but the term "dyke". This is not an article called "dyke and lesbian night". It is called "slut night." Please try to understand. Per standard English usage, dykes are at best a subset of lesbians. (Arguably, "dyke" will appear to be a pejorative term.) Why do you need to include this word, not in a blog, not on usenet, not on a bulletin board, but in the lead sentence of an encyclopedia article? I appreciate your changing it to "self-proclaimed dykes"[1]" but am starting to wonder what information relevant to this article is being conveyed by the use of the term dykes?
- Again, if this were an article on a gathering of inner-city African American rappers, and even if these rappers had reclaimed the word, would the following "(mainly self-proclaimed niggers and African Americans)" be encyclopediac?
- I don't want to burn good will edit warring, but I am trying to reason with you. It seems I am influencing you, but not quite to the extent I think necessary. TableManners 02:02, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
- I realize you were contesting the word "Dyke" and not "slut" from the beginning of this. And I'm trying to convey that the participants in these events as well as other self-defined events to promote empowerment and pride are tied to reclaiming language that had been used to persecute and demoralize. I strongly disagree that "dykes are at best a subset of lesbians" as many dykes do not and will not identify as lesbians which many consider a synonym for gay women. Even if you or I may want to categorize them as such, part of the post-feminist and post-gay emancipation movement has been to self-define labels and identities so labels such as "boi," "femme" and "butch dyke" have become distinct amongst themselves. Just as "gay" or "queer" no longer encompasses the full LGBT spectrum "lesbian" and "dyke" are distinct but sometimes overlapping labels to help us identify the cultural perspective of sexual and political minorities.
- Okay, now I think I get it. The "dykes" (excuse me) do not consider themselves to be lesbians. Tricky situation. I'll drop the matter now. TableManners 05:33, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
- We'll all be seeing more of this as people shun and/or embrace labels. Benjiboi 05:51, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
- Okay, now I think I get it. The "dykes" (excuse me) do not consider themselves to be lesbians. Tricky situation. I'll drop the matter now. TableManners 05:33, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
- I realize you were contesting the word "Dyke" and not "slut" from the beginning of this. And I'm trying to convey that the participants in these events as well as other self-defined events to promote empowerment and pride are tied to reclaiming language that had been used to persecute and demoralize. I strongly disagree that "dykes are at best a subset of lesbians" as many dykes do not and will not identify as lesbians which many consider a synonym for gay women. Even if you or I may want to categorize them as such, part of the post-feminist and post-gay emancipation movement has been to self-define labels and identities so labels such as "boi," "femme" and "butch dyke" have become distinct amongst themselves. Just as "gay" or "queer" no longer encompasses the full LGBT spectrum "lesbian" and "dyke" are distinct but sometimes overlapping labels to help us identify the cultural perspective of sexual and political minorities.
- They might if said meeting was named so and actually not an annual meeting but many local meetings and one annual one and all were called that. See also Dyke March, Dyke (lesbian) or Dykes on Bikes that lead many of the LGBT parades. Benjiboi 11:36, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
- Okay, I am taking a breather from editing this article on this point. However, other terms have been reclaimed by other groups (e.g., the N. word among too many rappers). Use of such a word in an article lead about an annual meeting of rappers would not, in my opinion, be encylopediac. TableManners 03:12, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
