User talk:SlimVirgin/Archive 37

Shlomo Carlebach

I was hoping to enlist your help, since you've been involved in this issue before. An anon user insists on continuing to add a link to an article alleging sexual abuse by Carlebach. Despite the fact that I have tried to add this information before, I have warned him that the decision was made to leave it out by an admin, after a very long discussion. I'm bordering on 3RR on this page, and don't want to violate the rule. Thanks. 05:23, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

"Ckessler, please stop adding the controversy section until you've reached an agreement with the other editors on the page. First and foremost, you have to find reputable sources, then stick very closely to what they say, without adding your own opinion. See WP:V, WP:NOR, and WP:RS. Cheers, SlimVirgin (talk) 08:15, 24 March 2006 (UTC)"

"When writing about individuals one must be even more careful to include only verifiable information from reliable sources; I'm dubious of the sources listed here, and the nature of the anonymous allegations. Jayjg (talk) 17:42, 23 March 2006 (UTC)"

I could have sworn that at some point I tried to use the Lilith article as a cite. I'll look through the history and see if I can find it. Ckessler 05:55, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Can you help ?

I am not familiar enoug with the process and how to undlete that article.

Can you undelete it. What about due process and AFD ? Thanks, Zeq 08:59, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&page=Iranian+involvement

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:CJCurrie#Please_reconstruct

Tnx. Zeq 10:42, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Can you help ? I tried to talk to CJ but no response (uncivil). can you as an admin reconstruct the dleted article ? Zeq 08:10, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Are you going to help me. It sais to undelete ask an admin... Zeq 19:56, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

It was the start. I was about to exand on it based on the sources. many wikipedia article start with a stub. There were few words at the start which I was planning to expend and get others to help me. CJ did not even reply to my request on his talk page. He just mis used his admin powers and deleted the article without process. Zeq 20:08, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

maybe of intrest

http://www.axt.org.uk/essays/sacks1.htm Zeq 10:46, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

BLP defamatory statements need immediate deletion/ammendment

Hello SV, I dont know if you missed this. Omura article again. Please take a thorough look at this, as it really is clearly defamatory and anti BLP: [1] and [2]

I set the argument out twice as clearly as I could, but Crum375 did not actually address the point made. The lead in paragraph is factually incorrect - confirmed by both the summing up Tribunial statements that are given lower down. What is needed is to insert that the decision of the Tribunial in both cases - in the Tribunial's own words - was because BDORT/PMRT etc was used to the exclusion of standard tests to confirm findings. Anyone can read that what the lead says is that Gorringe was found guilty for using BDORT (ie just for using it); and also because they opined that it was not scientific etc - which is also not what the Tribunial actually said - again as explicitly quoted lower down. This, left as it is, is obviously not only totally inaccurate - but damaging to Dr Omura, as it says that a doctor who used BDORT was found guilty. Which I am sure will please anyone with a (hidden) bias against Omura/BDORT. However it puts an official medical opinion on BDORT that does not exist - which is not just to Dr Omura and of course suggests strongly that no one should use BDORT and that Dr Omura is the proponent of a technique that's use has been declared inappropriate by medical people - which to repeat, is not what the Tribunial ruled, in both cases, as confirmed irrefutably by the Tribunial report summing-up statements quoted in the article lower down. This is the main point.

The first part of the sentence also sings loud and clear with the WP:OR that the only scientific etc claim, which is not citated and is an 'anti-information' sentence - ie proposes a fact based on lack of refuting information, and also breaks BLP as it suggests something without proper citation that is very potentially damaging, if not already, and so needs speedy deletion/ammendment. Not to mention that basic accuracy is needed.

I also asked you to comment on Crum's rationale for the 'disclaimers' that he has previously been told by two Admins that they are not appropriate to WP. Again, someone anti Omura/BDORT would relish them.

Please act speedily re the BLP issues - as again WP may not be party in any way to defamatory statements as J. Wales is quoted himself in the BLP page:

Unsourced or poorly sourced controversial (negative, positive, or just highly questionable) material about living persons should be removed immediately from Wikipedia articles, talk pages, and user pages. [2] These principles also apply to biographical material about living persons in other articles. The responsibility for justifying controversial claims in Wikipedia, of all kinds, but especially for living people's bios, rests firmly on the shoulders of the person making the claim.

Only scientific etc is not citated. The inaccurate representation of the Tribunial in the lead in is not only inaccurate very negative statement refuted further down in the article but as is, is potentially highly damaging and influencial as such to Dr Omura and his reputation and work, and all the other MDs/PhDs that use his work. It is also damaging to Gorringe himself, as the sentence ignores para 292 of the report where he is quoted as saying (with emphasis recorded on his behalf) that he knows that BDORT/PMRT etc findings need to be backed up by standard lab tests. But because he did not do this he was dismissed. That is, currently the article also completely misrepresents Dr Gorringe and his actions and the reason for his dismissal, which is not OK.

Thanks for the attention.Richardmalter 11:41, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

IMO BLP would not apply in principle if Mr. X invents a machine (let's say) and the machine, when used by someone else, does not work as expected. Also, if that machine is evaluated by some group, which says that the design is defective, that would not invoke BLP rules, IMO. BLP would kick in when we say that Mr. X cheated, lied, stole, or otherwise did something illegal or immoral. Creating an invention that is controversial or deemed defective by some, would not be defamation of the person's character and hence would not be considered 'derogatory' to the person. Lots of people invent things that don't work (I have myself ;^)) - that is not a BLP issue per se. Having said all of that, we still must meet all of WP's normal attribution rules, and the stronger ones that apply to controversial material in general, just not BLP. Crum375 13:34, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm confused as to why it matters so much to focus on the Tribunal's finding (if indeed this was their finding) that BDORT/PMRT etc was used to the exclusion of standard tests, and that it was this, rather than the use of it in and of itself, that was problematic. What they're saying, in other words, is that BDORT doesn't work, so any medical practitioner who uses it may only use it as an adjunct, and must also do the regular medical things with the patient too. That doesn't strike me as much of an endorsement. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 13:40, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

SV, no this is not correct as a matter of citated fact. First we know as a citated fact, twice, that the Tribunial dismissed Gorringe because he used BDORT/PMRT etc to the exclusion of other tests. This is the stated reason, twice. There is no confusion up to here. But, you can read that the lead in does not say this, it says something quite different. The accuracy that Crum insists on has to be consistent - if not it is glaring POV/WP:OR - or ie, warped representation. This is the first problem. It would not take much to fix it, I dont understand the resistance, but it needs doing. A glaring inaccuracy cant really be tolerated - and esp. that it involves living people as I have described. I insist that WP policies re accuracy and living people be upheld, immediately, it is intolerable that further damage be done - as it has been by the version that was edit warred over for months by ALL parties. Then, they also say that they dont reckon BDORT works - and there is no argument re this either. But this is not the reason for Gorringe's dismissal. SV, you are confusing this, very clearly. We have to be clear in the representation of what happened to living people. Also as I note the article ignores para 292 wher Gorringe notes his understanding for the need for follow up checks. If you read this para (and we do the homework as Crum has done with a lot of the other tribunial material) the real story is clear and simple. Gorringe stated he knew he needed follow up checks, but failed to get them, and so was dismissed for that Tribunial-stated reason. If re misrepresent, and say he was dismissed for using BDORT/PMRT in/of itself we are blanket broadcasting that Dr Omura's technique has been ruled as 'not to be used' by medical professionals - which is not what the Tribunial said (explicitly), (despite its many negative opinions of it - though BTW unqualified, as they were not scientifically qualified to be able to give any valuable comment on electromagnetism/resonance phenomena that Omura et al says it is based on), as this will certainly be damaging to Dr Omura's work. The point is really simple: currently it is grossly inaccurate, which can be verified by reading the very citations used lower down in the article, and it is potentially if not immediately very damaging to declare a false/inaccurate summary of a Tribunial finding of a technique advocated by Dr Omura. I really dont see why the resistance to modify this passage in any WP:BLP/general need for accuracy. And it needs to be done very quickly.Richardmalter 03:12, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

We have 3 main sources that describe the Gorringe cases: NZT1, NZT2 and the summarizing (secondary source) Quackwatch article.[3][4][5] I invite any interested neutral parties to read these sources fully and carefully and then decide if the current article's wording is reasonable. I would be more than happy to consider other suggested wordings that properly and neutrally reflect the sources that we have. Thanks, Crum375 03:40, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

I have spelled things out more than once very clearly. The points I make, Crum, you do not actually address. Your version quotes that:

It therefore follows that reliance on PMRT to make diagnoses to the exclusion of conventional and/or generally recognized diagnostic/investigatory techniques is unacceptable and irresponsible.[4]

and

In separate hearings the Medical Practitioners Disciplinary Tribunal held in December 2003 and ruled upon in May 2004 in Auckland, it found Gorringe guilty of malpractice in the death of an earlier patient, and concluded that Gorringe's reliance on BDORT to the exclusion of conventional diagnoses led to the patient's death.[6][5]

What's not clear? to the exclusion of conventional is there clearly, twice. Your wording of the lead in says something very different. No doubt it pleases anti Omura/BDORT POV, but is neither accurate and is defamatory and potentially damaging. I note that this resistance is very similar to the resistance to change the version you argued and edit warred to keep up for many months that was found to contain clear defamotory material and was deleted.

SV, I ask that the BLP policies (not to mention basic accuracy) be upheld immediately - and that any doubt (not that there is any) be decided to the side of the living people mentioned not a WP editor with certain ideas while disputes about WP:OR and BLP are resolved, immediately.Richardmalter 10:45, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Richard, I again went over the entry. I see no problem in the lead that states that Gorringe used BDORT on his patients and was found guilty of malpractice. This is a clear summary of the events according to the reliable sources. There is further amplification in the body of the article and full details in the cited sources. Also, as I noted at the top of this thread, BLP does not apply to these issues, IMO. Crum375 10:56, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

There is no problem except that it is inaccurate and defamatory - as I have outlined in great and exact detail Your reply is a general one, not a specific-to-the-point one, which effectively ignores what I actually write. I also note in general your resistance to every single suggestion/proposal I make/made - others including SV, other Mediators/Admin find/editors found ways to implement them straightaway, and even called them "awesome" in one case; which means that you are the exception to them - all good neutral editors.Richardmalter 07:12, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Richard, please don't use SlimVirgin's talk page as a replacement for the BDORT talk page. --Philosophus ^T 12:11, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Philosophus, BLP is a very serious issue. Crum et al were party (knowingly or not) to real world harm and defamtory information for many months by edit warring the version they liked, I was the only one that pointed this out and edited aggressively to stop it, which SV finally did at my requestRichardmalter 07:12, 7 February 2007 (UTC).

I read the RfArb proceedings as they were going on, and know about the situation. I do know that BLP is an important policy (though I don't think there are any significant BLP issues in the current article), but I also know that the ArbCom's decision on the matter is that you shouldn't be editing the article or its talk page, and it seems to me that you are just using SV's talk page as a replacement. --Philosophus ^T 09:13, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Philosophus, thanks for recognition of the BLP importance. I am following: If you need help in enforcing the policy, contact an administrator. Crum 'tracks' me and interjects here after each notice I leave, so I also reply to him here. Perhaps you have interpreted incorrectly my use of this page? I would also welcome you having a thorough look at [6] and

[7] , as Crum has answered in a general way, but not actually, specifically to the points raised. Again, recall that I have been the ONLY editor that has edited in line with BLP so far; the version that Crum championed during arbitration was highly inaccurate and defamatory and broke WP:BLP - and when I pointed this out to SV, she deleted it straightaway. These BLP issues with the version that was edit warred with me and the last Mediator are incontestable facts, regardless of anyone's opinons, biases, ArbCom's decisions etc. I will continue to act immediately regarding clear breaches of BLP policies.Richardmalter 09:58, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

DRV issues

I'll fork the general discussion about deletion review issues over here if you don't mind. Of course, Wikipedia talk:Deletion review would be an even better place.

My current number one concern about deletion review is that it is being used more than I'm comfortable with to contest keep (and equivalent) closures of AFD. Sometimes they feel like claims that a closure was clearly wrong, and it makes sense to leave DRV as a venue for discussing that. But sometimes these reviews feel like forum shopping, which shouldn't be allowed. Mostly both groups make claims that the AFD closing admin allowed the numbers in the discussion to override policy and guidelines. I end up with just my own gut feel to classify the cases, and that isn't great. I think deletion review should never do more than relist these unless the closing admin agrees that they got the close wrong.

I understand your concern about needing a consensus to keep something deleted at deletion review. Not to say I agree with it, but I do understand it. Part of why I don't agree with it is that Wikipedia's normal and preferred decision model is consensus, so I had no objection to swapping DRV from vote to consensus. As a deletion review regular, I quite certain we haven't seen anything that has bounced AFD-DRV-AFD-DRV-AFD. I know that AFD-DRV-AFD is a very common pattern, but even there the usual result of the second AFD is keep (or merge, or no consensus). I can't recollect any AFD-DRV-AFD-DRV cases, but we've probably had one or two that died there.

Another common pattern, but not a problem at all, is AFD-DRV-DRV-DRV-DRV... Well, ok, it wastes time and energy, but not much; the second and later deletion reviews usually get short shrift until someone actually writes a new article in user space. We did have one of those recently, on the pattern AFD-DRV-DRV-userspace-DRV-article... but since that got us a total rewrite ineligible for G4, I consider that a deletion review success.

Having thought about the statistics, my current mental image for the function of DRV is the backup safety valve on a pressure cooker. The primary safety valve is discussion with the admin that acted. Most of the time, we aren't used - less than 2 in 1000 deletions during December got brought to us. Most of the time, we turn requests down (the 30%-33% overturn rate). Our actual overturn rate for December was about 5 in 10,000 deletions

I also believe that those statistics show that the normal functioning of our other deletion processes (speedy, prod, XfD) is quite healthy. If there was a major problem with them, deletion review would get more cases opened. I know I couldn't really handle a doubling of deletion review volume without looking at a much lower fraction of reviews. I look into at least 80% of them, though opine on fewer. GRBerry 20:37, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

see this

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3361434,00.html

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1170359780967&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

Zeq 08:09, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

KazakhPol at it again, again

please see these articles: Terrorism_in_Kazakhstan and Jama'at al-Jihad al-Islami. I'm loosing the energy to keep myself involved with his false references, and lack of civility (see his last comment in discussion page in HT). Aaliyah Stevens 12:25, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

User KazakhPol seems to have an agenda to label many central asian and other groups that oppose their (usually authoritarian) governments as terrorists in the narrative voice, usually without reference, falsified references, using incredible references, or pointing to a real reference that says nothing of what he claims. When he is directed to wiki policies or guides on these topics he refuses to listen, is uncivil, and now wants to change the policy itself I see. This is very disturbing and dangerous, because nobody seems to be able to stop him, unless they spend their lives everyday edit warring. of course you know about his behaviour on Hizb ut-Tahrir but see the following sample of his gaming:

• Terrorism_in_Kazakhstan,
• Counter-terrorism in Kazakhstan,
• Cooperation between Kazakhstan and the United States in Counter-terrorism
• Hizb-an-Nusra,
• Jama'at al-Jihad al-Islami,
• Akramiya,
• Islamic_Movement_of_Uzbekistan,
• Islamic_Movement_of_Central_Asia,
• New_Great_Game,
• List_of_attacks_attributed_to_Abu_Nidal
• Ahmed_Rashid
• East_Turkestan_Liberation_Organization
• Ahmed_Rashid

Aaliyah Stevens 09:59, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism

Can't article editing be temporarily restricted to people with usernames? --Jagz 17:10, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Vandals are always a problem with the main page FA. I knew this would happen. Some feel like you and I that the mp FA should be protected, but others, lead by Raul654, do not feel so. There have been several debates about it. I always we should have to waste our time fighting the vandals, that it should be protected, but of course, no one cares about that, they think the vandals should be free to waste our time.Rlevse 17:13, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

After Eagle Scout went on the main page, I observed the next few main page articles. I guess I just needed to vent a bit, so I wrote User:Gadget850/MainPage. My experience is that if you convince an admin to semi-protect the page, another admin will come along and unprotect it and note Wikipedia:Main Page featured article protection. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 17:40, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Again, we shouldn't have to worry about it in the first place. More time and effort by all valid editors is spent fighting them than good is gained. New editors can simply move off the mainpage article to edit, it simply wouldn't be that big a deal. Rlevse 17:44, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Reversed vandalism on 06FEB2007, 12:37 EST I understand not what you say sir, but I will defend to the death your right to confuse me! 17:38, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

My point is we shouldn't have to fight vandals. Wiki should not allow them, wiki is too nice to them, everyone should have a verified account, etc. Thanks for fighting these scum.Rlevse 17:40, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Rlevse has a point, but if we block the main page from new editors then it could drive away new editors, since that is the first page they see. And I have seen a few cases of new editors reverting the vandalism they see, always a good thing. But yes, it is a hassle, thankfully lots of people have it on their watch page. Darthgriz⁹⁸ 17:42, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

I beg to differ, how many of us had our first exposure to wiki via the mp fa? Few I suspect. Most people I know got to it by looking up info for school assignements, google hits on a topic of interest (my case), etc.Rlevse 17:46, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm hoping we implement the German solution soon [8]. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 17:50, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Not to mention someone vandalizes and then a new person sees vulgar stuff of the mp fa...I'll believe the German solution here when I see. This issue is one reason Citizendium has been started, where accounts are required.Rlevse 17:53, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

My two cents on vandalism is this: if a featured article is being vandalized repeatedly, it makes WikiPedia look bad. Case in point, when I first went to this article (after seeing it featured on the front page), I discovered that it will full of link spam. Had I been a first time visitor, I would have been put off by what I assumed was a lack of attention to the article. I'm just sayin'. --Douglas Muth 17:56, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

But the point is Wikipedia is for everybody to edit, if the first thing you see when you click on the page to edit and you can't it defeats the purpose. Although, I hate vandalism just as much as the rest of us (especially personal attacks.) Then again, if they can semi-protect my userpage to stop vandalism, sometimes I wonder why they can't protect the main page. So I guess I just see both sides of the issue. Darthgriz⁹⁸ 17:57, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

3RR warning

Thanks for either listening to my request, or coming to the same conclusion as me. Either way, gracefully done. --Dweller 19:05, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

And from me too. Although I registered the WP:3RR violation, I don't want to see anyone blocked. Thanks for your help. The Rambling Man 19:15, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the Semi-protect

Thank you for semi-protecting Thurgood Marshall as I had requested. This page has had vandalism problems for quite some time.  :) --Eastlaw 22:12, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Apologies, but...

...with all respect, I feel I must call you on this one. RadioKirk (u|t|c) 22:14, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Replied. :) RadioKirk (u|t|c) 22:26, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

A scatologically-infamous thank you

SlimVirgin, I want to thank you for being so reasonable and fair at WP:AN/3RR. It's rather depressing to be accused of disruption and of intentionally stopping short of four reverts so that I could report Briantist, when I had asked for advice, had made only one revert at the time of his fourth, offered him a chance to self revert, was told in response that he doesn't force people to look at poo, and only reverted (my second time) and reported him after that, then didn't revert again for almost 24 hours, and didn't violate the rule at any stage. It's also confusing (to me at least) that administrators seem to disagree. I've been looking at various policy pages, and feel that I have a good understanding of NPOV, NOR, and VER. I felt, until this experience, that I had a good understanding of 3RR also, and understood that while vandalism is an exception, you can't get round it by calling an edit you don't like "vandalism". I'm don't feel that I've fully grasped BLP, though, and I think I'll need to read it a few more times. I'm just a bit stunned that an administrator doesn't see anything problematic about starting an article about a living nutritionist with "Scatologically infamous Gillian McKeith", and thinks that I was "guilty of disruption" for taking it out even though I respected the 3R rule. I had actually taken AN/3RR off my watchlist, but in a moment of weakness I looked again, unwisely, perhaps! This hasn't been a very pleasant experience. Anyway, I generally bounce back quite quickly, so I'll sleep on this, and then get back to editing. If you ever think I am being disruptive, feel free to tell me. Thanks again. ElinorD 00:50, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Random condescending note

Normally I try and ignore your condescending, incomprehensible posts, but since you are again accusing me of violating WP:3RR I feel it's appropriate to respond. As of your last comment, I had not referred to anyone as a vandal - unless you are thinking of Cs, who has been told to stop vandalizing Wikipedia by three different users. If you were thinking of Aaliyah Stevens then I would point out that I have not referred to him as a vandal for a while as I have not had the chance. Fortunately Zora and RuneX2 have been quite busy undoing AS's vandalism, so I have not had to. Since you thought it was appropriate to point me to WP:WTA, I will go ahead and point out, again, the explanation on Category:Designated terrorist organizations. I would assume this trumps anything on WTA as this is terror-specific. KazakhPol 03:57, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

On a separate note, I just saw Wikipedia:Attribution. I think it's a fantastic idea and it should have been Wikipedia policy from the start. KazakhPol 06:11, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

I try not to, but sometimes I lapse. ;) KazakhPol 06:45, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

In your reverts of my referenced additions to many pages, you have (KazakhPol) called me vandal numerous times in the last day, and accused me of using sockpuppets. Aaliyah Stevens 11:05, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Nazuraiun

Hi SlimVirgin: What do you make of Nazuraiun? Thanks, IZAK 10:35, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

AFD

See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nazuraiun. Thank you. IZAK 13:49, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

apartheid

Please see this: http://arab.sa.utoronto.ca/IAW-poster2006.jpg (you may want to load it to wiki) is hows how the accusation of apartheid is used to deny israel's right to exist (Israel is wiped off the map) Zeq 19:55, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

WP:ATT restructure

I agree that it moved up less relevant "how-to" information, but I would ask you to also consider some of the benefits of the restructure:

• As I said on the talk page, the ordering follows exactly that of WP:V... and it isn't that bad!
• It moves up WP:BLP, which is extremely important.
• The new structure clearly splits the page into NOR and V. I think this could help the transition from previous policy.

There is no need to respond, as I'm not sure myself and I fully trust your judgment on this issue; but I want to make sure you consider the positive side as well. Thanks! --Merzul 21:14, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

How would you title it ?

"Iranian infulance" ?

Iran warmongering is POV.

In any case what about due process ?

Zeq 06:09, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

no I don't have the links. Wikipedia is a colborative process I was looking for help not deletion... Zeq 13:39, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

WT:V Archive

I don't mind your revert at all, nor being educated. I do, however, wonder about the utility of c&p versus move... I seem to recall reading the archive howto at one point and noting it mentioned both methods but left me with the impression that move was the preferred method. Talk comments should already be signed and dated. Wouldn't moving the entire page preserve the page history? Sure, a few topics might be split (active threads at the time of move), but in the end archiving by cut&paste obliterates the page tracking you're trying to preserve, doesn't it? Am I missing something? /Blaxthos 07:51, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Image:Jeremyclarkson3.jpg

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Gillian McKeith

I love your work on this article, I'll be looking at other stuff you've done. I felt like I was fighting alone lol but you seem to look for the same things in a wiki article as me. Respect:) lol thanksMerkinsmum 19:27, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

I was also delighted with your work, though, as I pointed out on the talk page, more professional can mean less interesting! Thanks. ElinorD 00:07, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Likewise, I very much appreciate your work on the article. There's a lot of good, factual stuff there. Why, though, did you delete my contribution on accreditation status? It's clearly a bogus PhD, and the ASA just made her stop using it *because* it's unaccredited. I've left a similar comment on the article's discussion page - probably better to respond there. Motmot 10:34, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

BDORT

SV, re your message, I am pointing out another issue that I thinks needs urgent BLP action. I have posted it twice on your page with extensive detail. I am asking for Admin help. It does not need major overhaul, but some change yes - as it is currently completely re a living person's work and (potentially) highly damaging - its as simple as that. (As you said, the ArbCom did not get involved in content). Non has come so far (I know you are busy), so I posted also to BLP noticeboard. I think this is entirely correct behaviour. Thanks. Richardmalter 03:48, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

St. Louis, MO IPs

FYI, My user and talk page is periodically vandalized by 75.28.90.78 and 75.5.180.4. The latter IP also just vandalized User:Badbilltucker's user and talk page. The most recent vandalism from this IP (I expect they've been used by the same person) is to a barnstar Badbilltucker placed on my page shortly after the Justas Jonas/Ptmccain adventure last quieted down. When I run a WHOIS trace on the IPs, they trace to St. Louis, MO, home of Ptmccain et al. I'd consider betting the IPs above are either a reincarnation or a close friend of JJ. Keesiewonder ^talk 00:53, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

FYI

Wikipedia:Mediation_Cabal/Cases/Mohammad_Amin_al-Husayni. Hope you can help. I look forward for your insight. Zeq 08:12, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Hello

First, a cookie for you. I was just eating some. Just wondering how things are and if you'd looked at WP:ATT. Marskell 18:41, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

RfC

Hi I have created a Request for Comment page for user KazakhPol. Aaliyah suggested that you may be interested in endorsing the dispute. Here, [[9]]. Please read and feel free to add anything you feel like should be included. Best.cs 21:42, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

User talk:Gnetwerker

Hi - Someone purporting to be User:Gnetwerker has contacted me by e-mail requesting a username change. While I am highly doubtful that such a change would be in the interests of the project, in investigating the situation, I noticed that you protected User talk:Gnetwerker back in December. In your view, would it be reasonable to unprotect this talk page now in order that Gnetwerker can put their case on their talk page, while reserving the right to protect it again should they place further doomed requests for unblocking on there? Warofdreams talk 03:28, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

email

did you get my email? Once again, can have you contact the police handling the case if need be for verification LexiLynn 05:09, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Copyright problems with Image:ALFbeagles.jpg

Damn, I've misread "forgiven" at [10] as "forbidden"... Conscious 21:14, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Gillian McKeith/Max Clifford

I just have to ask - assume good faith please - are you in any way connected with the PR (Public Relations) industry, Max Clifford or could be thought to be working for the same? I was impressed how quickly the Gillian McKeith non-copyright picture was obtained. ••Briantist•• talk 15:11, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't often use this word, but I think it's very appropriate here, so here goes: LOL! Musical Linguist 00:21, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Max inserted me into Wikipedia as a sleeper in 2004, just waiting for the right opportunity to activate me. He and I believed that, with nearly 50,000 edits, no one would ever suspect me, but we reckoned without the razor sharp mind of Briantist. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 01:17, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

I also don't use this word often either, but your response deserves an honest ROFLMAWHATEVER! --Merzul 02:22, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Barret as a source

Regarding [11], I agree that he shouldn't be used as a source for facts. However, his opinions are obviously relevant. Also, if you look at Quackwatch it should be clear that the site is regarded as a bit better than simple a personal website. JoshuaZ 20:48, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Ispy1981

Hi, just wanted to let you know I sent you an email explaining the edit.

Ispy1981 21:26, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Beit Or is disputing neutrality, not me. He wanted to remove valid criticisms on the basis of neutrality. --Aminz 00:13, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Your signature

Hello, SlimVirgin. Thanks again for all the help you've given at Gillian McKeith, and I'm sorry you've been getting so much abuse as a result, especially since I think you came to the page as a result of my complaint. I want to ask you about your signature. I like the way it links to your talk page. Is that something that you get automatically because you're an administrator, or can I have that as well? I don't necessarily want different colours, but if I could have "ElinorD" linking to my userpage, and "(talk)" linking to my talk page, that would be great. Please tell me how to get that, if it's possible. Thanks again. ElinorD 00:27, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

I meant to say also that I found this so useful that I've linked to it from my user page! ElinorD 00:32, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Just saying hello

Hi, Slim. We may have been out of touch for a while, but thank you for the kind messages you posted on my talk page in December. I actually feel bad that I didn't thank everyone, but when I came back, I just felt I didn't really want to. Quite rude of me, really, though I did thank some people in private e-mails. All is well with me now. I've put on a little weight, but intend to get rid of it! You probably notice that my contributions are down, and in fact it may stay that way. I had been spending too much time on Wikipedia, and I still have papers to write. I may take an extra year to finish my degree, but that's not decided yet. (I've just had a very exhausting study weekend.) Anyway, I wanted to say also that I edited Gillian McKeith some months ago — mostly vandalism reverts, I think, as she doesn't interest me hugely, and it has remained on my watchlist. I looked at your edits today, and I must congratulate you. The article was in a disgraceful state before you arrived, and you've really brought it into line with policy now. Musical Linguist 00:28, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

P.S. I changed my signature because I saw complaints about people having signatures that were different from their usernames, not bacause I'm trying to avoid the "Ann". Musical Linguist 00:29, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Ilena

I noticed your comment on User talk:Ilena. In case you are not aware, the matter you discussed is the subject of a pending ArbCom case at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Barrett v. Rosenthal. Regards, Newyorkbrad 02:59, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Ah, someone beat me to it. Yes, all these issues that you're encountering are part of the ArbCom. Maybe you'll be able to get through to her. --Ronz 03:33, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Hand in the cookie jar

Strange Ip address doing some dammage, if you got my email you know the background on this.

69.106.7.122 is strangely the same as users:ISpy, no checksum needed, it's the same that matches the email headers I get here routinely. Please check Jessica Lunsford article. LexiLynn 03:09, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes, please, do a checksum. Then you can explain how a mathematical algorithmic tool tells people one's IP. SlimVirgin, sorry to drag you into this nonsense. Perhaps an arbitration is in order.

Ispy1981 03:43, 15 February 2007

Sighs Wikistalkers never quit do they LexiLynn 04:40, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Zionism

Slim, the material you just removed had been there for several months, before being discussed, sources added, and left alone, before Jayjg edited and removed it without discussion on February 1. If you don't like the material, or you think it is OR, could you please explain why, and gain concensus, before removing it? This is what you ask others to do. I can see why you don't like the quote being added, and I did not readd it, because the language is inflammatory and inappropriate. The material that you just removed is not. This is an extremely controversial subject, as I think you'd have to acknowledge, which currently relegates less than 5% of the article to criticism. It has an entire section on "International Support." Is there not something somewhat odd about not even discussing, for instance, Arab and Muslim criticism? Mackan79 04:13, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Nancy Reagan

Thanks, that was going to be my next edit, but I didn't want to run the risk of it being interpreted as 3rr.Arcayne 05:05, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Removing alternative spellings

Why did you remove my edit here [12] shortly after you disagreed with one of my other edits here [13]. Removing a legitimate edit without an edit summery is pretty low and as you are an administrator and should know the rules. What possible reason do you have for removing my edit? Thank you.--Clawed 11:51, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Munich massacre

Hi, You recently reverted the Munich massacre article to an earlier version. I made a variety of trims, edits, etc on the article. I believe you used of some type of revert command to go back to an earlier version (I am assuming you used a revert feature. I cannot see the command on the edit page that performed this action; there is only the new page on the "Last" section of the "History" page.). I feel frustrated with the use of reverting (which Wiki policy pages say is mainly a tool to be used for Vandalism), because I am a serious, good faith editor trying to improve pages. When edits are entirely reverted to a new version, you get rid of some of what you may see as some more controversial edits. But you also got rid of some very wholesome edits (glossing who Simon Reeve is, etc).Nazamo 14:04, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi, I just cut-and-pasted this from the Dispute Resolution page..."Avoidance....The best way to resolve a dispute is to avoid it in the first place.....Be respectful to others and their points of view. This means primarily: Do not simply revert changes in a dispute. When someone makes an edit you consider biased or inaccurate, improve the edit, rather than reverting it." In this case, it seems as if you reverted the edits I made. My new approach is to give each change its own edit summary, so that other editors can decide on a section-by-section basis if they agree with the edits. I want to improve the page, and work constructively with you and the other editorsNazamo 16:01, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Slim...

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jessica_Lunsford&action=history

"I dare this to be ..." read the note from InstaTornado right before you protected the page. Hope you don't get a stalker too! this is usually how he starts out.

Jessica Lunsford was ALLEGEDLY kidnapped, since John Couey has not appeared in trial yet, all acts are ALLEGED. Of course I had that in my edit, but you protected it to show that the word alleged is removed, (After several wikip[edians had agreed on using this word) and instead left it the way InstaTornado changed it. Please fix it and reprotect it, your just feeding fuel to the fire letting him think he's winning in his wiki stalking. LexiLynn 19:43, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Ha!

Well, you've got mail, but it'll hopefully be redundant if you're editing just now and can look directly. Do you agree (basically) with my suggested post to V and NOR, as suggested on WT:ATT now? We can't just slap the policy tag on as Jossi did tonight (though I understand, "just do it"). The existing policy talks have to have at least been informed. Marskell 22:20, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

A bit too bold it seems... should maybe have let this whole think sink in! --Merzul 03:37, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Not an admin issue? I think somebody wanted it there as well, but I apologize if I went to far... I will leave it for you to deal with it, I thought you were gone. --Merzul 04:51, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Alright, I have mailing stuff enabled now, so the wiki mail stuff should work. --Merzul 05:19, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I think I understand what's going on... I think I do, it all makes sense, you can send me, but I think I already agree with you. --Merzul 05:22, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Almost what I expected, you are a bit more paranoid than I thought, just kidding, you're the best, but still... Anyway, I'm going to sleep now, but I replied to your very short remark at the admin thread. It really seemed suspicious... as if we are trying to hide something, so I wanted to make clear that there really is no policy change. Anyway, good night! --Merzul 06:01, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Not Reliable?

First, as I posted to the discussion before, the source is an eyewitness. And in fact, there has been discussion in the Knesset, I think, about whether this sort of rule is allowable in Israel. I have not come any information that suggests that Shuhada street in Hebron is actually open to non-Jewish traffic. If you have such information, please post it.Dc-ijc 05:43, 16 February 2007 (UTC)