User talk:SlimVirgin/Archive 34

Thank you

Another thanks for your help at the China article. We'll see if the new compromise holds, but at any rate, you've done a wonderful job coming up with innovative solutions to problems. I hope one day I'll be able to be as fair and impartial as you are in working with other editors. Heimstern Läufer 06:35, 10 November 2006 (UTC)\

Anyway, I'm glad that this episode seems to have been resolved - thank you very much for your efforts. Your version is very fine indeed. --Sumple (Talk) 05:43, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks again for solving that whole issue. If only all of us can be as patient and impartial as you are :D --Sumple (Talk) 07:59, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your support

Hi SlimVirgin. I wanted to thank you with flowers (well, flower) for supporting me for adminship. I consider it a real honour to have had you nominate me, and it was clear from the comments in support that your judgment weighed heavily in my favour. I look forward to continuing to work with you and I'm sure I'll be seeking your counsel as I slowly get to grips with the tools. Now, more than ever, please do let me know if I can be of assistance and especially if you spot me making an error. Many thanks once again. Yours, Rockpocket 07:27, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your support of truth and justice

Thanks for taking a stand on the issue of the Argentine prosecuter's religion in the Hezbollah case and not standing idlely by. --GHcool 09:07, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Industrial agriculture

I really don't think your image belongs at the top of the page as the first image. It's a valid image, assuming it was in the criticism section. However, the article is industrial agriculture, not criticism of industrial agriculture, and the first image should reflect that. I see that you told the user who changed the image to provide a source for his image. Then again, what sort of source is the one for your picture? The site it comes from is an anti-factory farm and will (obviously) be biased against it. The pig picture is an extreme case, and hardly the average condition in a factory farm. As for the picture you removed - you said he needed a source to "prove" it was an example of industrialized farming. The picture is clearly factory farming - what else would it be? It might be biased in that it has better than average conditions, but your picture has far worse than average conditions. In its current context with its wording, the picture is clearly not NPOV. --Karafias ^{Talk • Contributions} 10:09, 10 November 2006 (UTC) I support Karafias' view here. Breakhymen 09:16, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Culture of Hate

User HKelkar already involved in various content and personal disputes - arbitrations has gotten a step further calling me a Pakistani when I have explicitly mentioned that I hold an Indian passport

"My Indian passport does not list religion.Is your's special"

.This type of name calling is not very dissimilar to the Hindu chauvinists in India one of whose sites (I won't mention the site name here for providing them undue publicity - google search can tell) says "All muslims should go back to Pakistan and Bangladesh where I am sure they will be welcomed."I would like you to take cognizance of this user and others using the right wing Hindu rhetoric and calling names to those who don't agree to their narrow version TerryJ-Ho 11:07, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Why do you continue to prod him about being Jewish? Huh? Answer that.Bakaman _Bakatalk 19:07, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

He's Hindu. BhaiSaab ^talk 22:55, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Actually you're wrong, I'm the only Hindu user in this dispute.Bakaman _Bakatalk 01:20, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Read properly - the last comment (where I mentioned the Jewish aspect) as - "My Indian passport does not list religion.Is your's special" on that thread was October 29 - He has updated them twice of his own accord.In fact he wants to show himself as Jewish and support the Hindutvavadis as a neutral party.Most authors monopolising the Hinduism and India related articles are Hindus.You are not the only one,though there is no reason why that should matter..India is highly represented on Wikipedia and Hindus being 80% of the population are sure to edit in a higher volume.Many of the edits are done by Indian diaspora influenced by organisations like the RSS.Even in any case,if I or any editor had queried Hkelkar's religion - which seems a bit weird because he claims to be Jewish (their population in India is in some thousands)- on the other hand writing almost all the articles with visibly a right wing Hindu discourse - Hkelkar has responded with such heinous characterisations that deserve no place in academic space saying "Muslims in Pakistan were fishing out Hindus by raiding villages and asking men to drop their pants/dhotis and checking to see if they were circumcised? If so, the pass, if not, then instant beheading.The Pakistani Jews managed to get away with it coz they were also circumcised and were thus mistaken for Muslims by the Muslims."Hkelkar adds about killings of Hindus in Partition of India quoting Khushwant Singh's Train to Pakistan without consistently showing the source - Here is the source and it says “The fact is, both sides killed.” again he says "Regarding passports, did you know that Pakistani passports force their citizens to officially acknowledge Mohamed as the one true prophet, even if you are a Hindu, Christian or Sikh Pakistani?" - All the above are false and concoted and inspite of my asking to refrain from hate speak - He calls me a Pakistani - in short a Traitor..He should pay for such hatespeakMerryJ-Ho

Carry on; don't mind me. ;-) SlimVirgin ^(talk) 04:13, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

That's very responsible,Slimvirgin..Thanks Mate - TerryJ-Ho

Well who do you think the Jews would like more, the Hindus that protected them for 2000 years, or the Muslims that slaughtered them and kicked them out of their homeland?Bakaman _Bakatalk 18:01, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

My attention was drawn to this dispute by another user. I must comment that such statements made by TerryJ-Ho are in extremely poor taste and are part of a pattern of bias that I have seen in him. He has made various attacks of my Jewishness (a point which should be immaterial on wikipedia), keeps addressing me by the pejorative "Jew" (rather than the more appropriate adjective-noun "Jewish") despite my educating him against such behaviour, and, of course, he keeps with his anti-Hindu sentiments, which kind of goes against the grain of my patrilineal side, but that's another matter. I invite you to read my report of TerryJ-Ho, which I will be appending shortly Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Hkelkar#Statement_by_Hkelkar. Shalom.Hkelkar 04:55, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Also, see this for the opinion of another user on TerryJ-Ho's offensive, bigoted and ethnically loaded bile above. i will, of course, add his hateful comments on this talk page in my portfolio of evidence demonstrating his intense bigotry and prejudices.Hkelkar 04:59, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and everything I said was true to the hilt. See this report by the United States Congress here. Also, see Pakistani Jews before Siddiqui's whitewash here and Anti-Semitism#Pakistan.Hkelkar 05:04, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and another user has expressed his opinion of Terry's post above hereHkelkar 05:12, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and not all of my articles have to do with the "Hindu Right" (whatever THAT means). I have also edited extensively on anti-semitism,Indian Jews,J.F.R. Jacob,Ezekiel Isaac Malekar, and India-Israel relations,and , of course, the dear dear friends of a certain someone who shall remain nameless, Lashkar-e-Toiba, the premier whack-jobs of South Asia.Hkelkar 05:21, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Finally, I find TerryJ-Ho's accusations of "Hindu Chauvinists" rather rich. I'm sure if YOU did another Google search, you will see a vast plethora of Muslim sites saying "Hindus are dung eaters","Hindus are subhuman kaffirs","To kill a Hindu is not a crime, but the true path to Allah","Kill all Hindus, it's cheaper than getting them out of Pakistan",(this one's famous for having been said during the Noakhali Genocide) "We shall take Pakistan by killing all Hindus", and many more.Hkelkar 05:27, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

A Google search for "We shall take Pakistan by killing all Hindus" produces exactly one hit, this page. A search for "Hindus are subhuman kaffirs", again, produces one hit, this page. A search for "Hindus are dung eaters", again, returns only one page, this page. Again, a search for "To kill a Hindu is not a crime, but the true path to Allah" produces one hit, this page. Yet again, a search for "Kill all Hindus, it's cheaper than getting them out of Pakistan" produces only this page. So what you said is just made-up. Fred Bauder 20:53, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

No, Sir. You should have searched more carefully:

<posting from ArbComm. Apologies to Slimvirgin, but this has to be cleared up>

Its obviously in other languages lol. SIMI, Lashkar-e-Toiba, etc. dont use English as an official language. They use Hindi/Persian and sometimes use Arabic. Its quite obvious you didnt find it in english. In fact Fred why not look at [1] and from Columbia University [2]. Here's some stuff from Pakistan as well.Here's some more [3]

[4] [5]Bakaman _Bakatalk 21:13, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Here's more [6]It amazes us how a band of dung-worshippers have the cheeks to try to wage an attack against Al-Islam.

The Hindu mentality is such, that it usually accepts anything without questioning its authenticity (apparently he's never heard of hear of Shankaracharya,Aryabhata,Bhaskaracharya,Chandrashekhar Venkataraman, Subhramaniyam Chandrashekhar, Rabindranath Tagore, Lokmanya Tilak ...)

Hkelkar 21:22, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Here's more [7] Idiots [Hindus] happy that cows are dying of mad cow disease

[8]Yes, that's right. Hindu "gods" rape women according to Hindu scriptures. [9].Hkelkar 21:35, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Also, see this(Pakistan Defense Forum)

1. ISRAEL ie JEWS ARE NATURAL ENEMIES OF MUSLISM AND ISLAM..... not buts or ifs.

Hkelkar 21:46, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Some tidbits from http://www.kashmir-information.com/Miscellaneous/Slogans.html

1. If you choose to live in Kashmir, you will have to say Allah-o- Akbar
2. Allah-o-Akbar, arise and awake Muslims, buzz off infidels, jehad is approaching.
3. Ye cruel Kafirs (infidels) vacate our Kashmir
4. We will destroy Ganga and Yamuna

During the Noakhali Massacre of 1946 (around 6000 Hindus butchered, 60-75000 Hindus ethnically cleansed from the region):

1. We will take Pakistan by killing [Hindus]
2. Glory to the Muslim league

Hkelkar

Phony Hate-Speech????Yeah, right! Hkelkar 22:01, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Here's more: Yahood Aur Hanood (Jews and Hindus), Military Leaflets over Waziristan [10]Hkelkar 22:22, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

This one hits a little too close to home for me even. Taliban and Yellow badges for Hindus (sumptuary law):[11][12][13]

Hkelkar 22:22, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh,and one thing. Although it is not directly relevant, TerryJ-Ho's more likely a Pakistani than an Indian. Most educated Indian muslims don't have such intense hatred for Hindus and Indian culture (mostly the poorly educated and fundamentalist lot like the Ghanchi muslims of Gujarat or the Kashmiri muslims etc. most of whom are "High Caste Ashraf" muslims who have been indoctrinated into hating Hindus in their Madrassas, the paradoxically more educated lower caste "Ajlaf" and "Arzal" muslims, as well as the slightly more cosmopolitan Ashrafs of Hyderabad-India etc., being traditionally barred from madrassas because of their "lowly" or "heretical" status, were more readily exposed to Western education and Western values and were not indoctrinated by Fundamentalist madrassas). Based on his rigidly Islamist views, I'm more inclined to believe that TerryJ-Ho is a Sindhi Pakistani, or a Siraiki-speaking Multani-type fellow. Of course, he insists that he is Indian, so...Hkelkar 07:13, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

I just dont get why is everybody raisng the non-issue of Kelkar's Jewishness. Any knowledgable fella will tell ya Bene-Israelis have Marathi names like Kelkar. Anyways Kelkar is a Bagdhadi Jew as he states and you have no option but to accept that. JFR Jacob a Baghdadi Jew, for instance is a BJP member! Moreover numerical count of Indian jews doesnt matter, all that matters is how cosmopolitan the community is. You are more likely to find a Parsi at Wikipedia rather than say a Baloch. Image:England flag large.png अमेय आर्यन DaBroodey 11:52, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

• All above are baseless characterisations and rhetoric from HKelkar and company ...All the Jewishspeak is coming from them reinforcing my previous contention.MerryJ-Ho 12:36, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

And the paranoia accelerates Hkelkar 14:09, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Does it really..?MerryJ-Ho

Me a part of "Kelkar company"? Dudio, i've been here loong before you guys. Anyways i wont bother deciphering your opaque speak. Given that your actual productive contributions to Wikipedia amount to zero, nada, zilch! You seem to be fixated with a 5-6 Hindutva articles. Personally I dont support Hindutva or its manifestations (this is an ex-HSS member you are talking to), but theres a fine line between objective critique of Hindutva and anti-Hinduism. In my book you've crossed it.

P.S Indian passport doesnt make you Indian. Respect for Indian culture makes you one. Image:England flag large.png अमेय आर्यन DaBroodey 14:22, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

• Who are you to define what is Indian and Indian culture?Stop attacking my IndiannessMerryJ-Ho

You started it! I'm part of no group. I have no interest in defending Kelkar. It is never us vs them for me. I'm only for justice. In this case you are clearly ganing up on him. Kelkar may be guilty of incivilties but you arent exactly a saint are you? English wisdom suggest People living in glass houses should not throw stones at others.

P.S In retrospect I did make a personal attack. I apologise. Still I have serious doubts about your "Indianess". Your contribs show if anything you are is anti-Hindu. Image:England flag large.png अमेय आर्यन DaBroodey 14:33, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

• What makes me Anti-Hindu?MerryJ-Ho 16:29, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

You take every opportunity to downtrod the Hindu users on Wikipedia. You label Hindu culture as a culture of hate. SlimVirgin, sorry for occupying your talk page, but the Culture of Hate label above is insulting and shows the prejudice this user possesses. It is extremely offending for any Hindu and even patriotic non-Hindu Indians, as India was built on Hindu culture. Nobleeagle ^[TALK] [C] 23:14, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Many, many Indians would dispute the statements that India was built on Hindu culture, and that it is 'respect for culture' that makes one Indian (from a user with St. George's Cross in his sig, no less!). In any case, carrying on such arguments except in order to determine the appropriate balance for a specific article has no place on Wikipedia, which isn't a political discussion board. Frankly all of you shouldnt waste your time on it, or SlimVirgin's talkpage. I note without surprise that none of you has enough of a sense of humour to realise that "carry on, dont mind me", above, had a tinge of sarcasm to it. Hornplease 09:55, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, Lashkar-e-Toiba, the Students Islamic Movement of India, the National Liberation Front of Tripura , the Hizbul Mujahiddeen and other similar people would claim that India is exclusively Muslim/Christian and advocate the complete destruction of Indian society, as would many Pakistani Nationalists. Hkelkar 01:09, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Fictional texts

I'd love any input or organization you might be able to put to User:Phil Sandifer/Fiction essay. I'm trying to work out on broad principle some of the popular culture issues, at least as they relate to fictional texts, so that debates over them are somewhat less sterile, and so that everyone is on the same page about things like sourcing.

(And I'll answer your arbcom questions today. Sorry - they're the hardest ones on the page, and I need to actually take care with them in a way that I don't with some of the others, which tend to either have obvious correct answers or, to my mind, fundamentally misunderstand arbitration) Phil Sandifer 18:36, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Finally got the arbcom questions. Phil Sandifer 23:04, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

re: use of themselves

"The phrase 'the organizations themselves have said ...," for example, is standard English. I don't really see how anyone could misunderstand the sentence in the policy. On the other hand, the phrase "authoring organization" is completely unclear and sounds like someone has made it up. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 12:26, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, but you have used a plural. You would not say "the organization themselves", you would say "the organization itself".

For the record, I did not state "authoring organization" but it is entirely clear, if a highly specific and intelligent use of English. I think we need more than two opinions on this matter as others have expressed an interest to clarify it. As stated, where conflict arose due to the generality of the statement was where it was interpretated that "themselves" only permitted the authoring individuals or organizations to use self-published material - which is, of course, ridiculous.

Drop "authoring" individual or organization into Google [14], [15], [16] and I think you will find it is widely and commonly used particularly in Governmental and Educational circles.

195.82.106.244 12:50, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Actually, you may have cracked it by the use of "authors(s)". KISS etc.

195.82.106.244 12:56, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Hafele-Keating experiment sprotection

Maybe I'm being dumb here but sprotecting Hafele-Keating experiment locked out Uknewthat editing as an IP - but he kept right on editing with his user ID. What's the point? All anon's got locked out while the trouble user kept right on editing. (I know he's banned now but still...) Shouldn't this be unprotected now? —Wknight94 (talk) 14:48, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Uknewthat is blocked indefinitely. Is he continuing to edit? SlimVirgin ^(talk) 22:52, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your support on my RfA

My RfA has passed with a vote of 71/1/0, and the mop is in my hand. Thank you for your support. Thank you also for your previous offer to nominate me, even though I did not feel I was ready at the time. I will be starting slow, and I will appreciate any guidance or correction that may be necessary as I learn to swing the mop. -- Donald Albury 00:58, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

No problem. Removing personal info takes priority. -- Steel 02:00, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Informal RfC on Talk:Palestinian refugee

Hi, SV. I note that in the past you've made contributions to Palestinian refugee. I'm attempting to encourage reasoned discussion in this thread. If you had the time to review my comments and respond -- or just offer your opinion on any other aspect of the issue -- I'm sure the addition of reasoned commentary would be valuable both for its content and for it encouragement of other editors to follow suit. Parallel reversion wars are also taking place at Palestinian exodus and United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East. I hope patient argument will defuse them, and I hope you will find it possible to participate. --Rrburke 14:39, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

WP:V

Please leave my temp page where it is. Why silence comment? If you have constructive comments to make, even if they are disagreeing with me, make them. I've sick to the teeth of trying to get you to edit constructively and collaboratively with me on this. Why won't you even try? It's not as though we have diametrically opposite objectives! jguk 11:31, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

The impression I get is that it is always you who reverts me (often v. quickly). Maybe you could consider not reverting me, and just argue your case on the talk page (at least sometimes) - if others agree with your position it will happen anyway, jguk 11:57, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Policies

I have already stopped; see Wikipedia talk:List of policies. But please don't make pot/kettle remarks. For instance, this one is an intended compromise, to move the "core" stuff unto a separate page like WP:TRI. (Radiant) 16:36, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

• I know of three that aren't - copyright, WP:NOT, and WP:OFFICE. Please see Wikipedia talk:List of policies for a more central discussion. (Radiant) 17:02, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

CCF as a source

In what sense is CCF not a valid source, but BUAV and PETA are? Both sides are horribly POV, and both misrepresent the truth, and both have a well-identified agenda. Can we show Covance pictures, but not mention activistcash discussions of the Silver Spring monkeys? My reading of Wikipedia ways is that ALL POVs are to be represented, not just the one you agree with. BTW, CCF produces the activistcash web site, they are one and the same. --Animalresearcher 17:52, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Elton John

You recently unprotected Elton John from anon edits. I think this was a mistake; it always has been, and is now again, a target for constant anti-gay anon vandalisms. There's no reason to think this will ever change, so I think this is one of those articles that always needs sprotect. Thank you. Wasted Time R 23:14, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

OK thanks. Wasted Time R 23:40, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Muhammad al-Durrah

I have changed the introduction to Muhammad al-Durrah.[17] I feel the current version is better grammatically and in terms of POV, though it may be less pleasing stylistically. I am notifying you because you have made significant changes to the article in the past. All the best, KazakhPol 00:54, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Daniel575's user page

I realize that this is a strange request. Daniel575 recently said goodbye to Wikipedia (though I doubt he will truly leave). He blamed his disappearance on, among other things, personal attacks leveled by me against him. However, I don't believe I have ever personally attacked him. Rather, that statement is, in and of itself, a personal attack against me. Can that statement be deleted from his user page? Thanks.--Meshulam 05:13, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. --Meshulam 19:15, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

He did the same with me. I am on his page as an attacker, yet I think he thinks that if you disagree with his views, you are attacking him. Yossiea 14:09, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Note

In light of yesterday's dispute, I wish to point out that there was discussion on the topic before my change, here. I also wish to point out that I have no personal experience with Jguk; while I will not assume he (or anyone else) is disruptive simply because you (or anyone else) say so, neither should his agreement with me on this issue be taken as me endorsing his actions you object to. In the dispute itself, it appears we're simply working from different definitions here (which implies it may be a source of confusion for novice users). (Radiant) 14:21, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism

I think you're in error on the vandalism warning on my user page concerning David Duke. I simply made a revert to a previous version due to vandalism. I'm now being attacked on my page by an IP user as a result. --Hatch68 22:14, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

My apoligies, it was not you, it was the IP user. --Hatch68 22:15, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

3RR

No, I did not violate the rule, but thank you for the heads up. KazakhPol 01:10, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

I have commented on the talkpage and I contacted two users, Amatulic and HighinBC, for another opinion. If you're interested in why I asked those two users, they regularly provide third opinions on WP:3O. KazakhPol 01:26, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

You are mistaken, I did not violate WP:3RR. If you go back through the history of the page you will see that I am correct. Please remain civil. Accusing me of "offensive" editing is not productive. KazakhPol 04:39, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

RFA Thanks

If you have a moment...

You mentioned by e-mail that you'd try to reply, but I haven't been around the page. Could you explain why you think this is better than the more limited caveat that was in place previously? Marskell 08:13, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

When I said the previous was limited, I was thinking in the literal sense of having fewer words. By directing it at pop culture, I guess you believe it's more limiting, which is what we want. You can see a new suggestion on the page, which has that in mind. Marskell 10:09, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Unfortunately I'm going to have take a raincheck on WP:ATT discussions for now. Keep up the fight for good sourcing and remember what I suggested: don't compromise unless you believe in the wording yourself! Marskell 07:46, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Your input would be appreciated

On the List of notable supporters of PETA article, regarding weither we should include deceased people or not. Thanks. Jean-Philippe 16:17, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

WP:3RR

I reverted twice. This is the last time I will ask you to go back through the history of the page. If you falsely accuse me of violating WP:3RR one more time I will pursue dispute resolution. Your complete lack of civility is distressing. KazakhPol 19:26, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

I am trying to understand the logic in what you posted on my talkpage. WP:3RR applies to reverting to a specific version of a page, not to a user. I reverted once to this version[18] of the page - here[19]. After that I discussed the page with Jayjg on the talkpage and came up with a compromise between the two versions of the page - this version[20]. I then reverted twice - here[21] and here[22]. Do not accuse me again. KazakhPol 20:42, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Muhammad al-Durrah. KazakhPol 21:30, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Khazakh, it seems obvious to me that WP:3RR applies to more than three reversions to the same page, not to the same version of a page. (For example, the policy reads "The policy states that an editor must not perform more than three reversions, in whole or in part, on a single Wikipedia page within a 24 hour period.") Slim was being very civil in warning you on the talk page rather than reporting you, and I am sure you two can work out your dispute if you approach it in good faith. (Dispute resolution is a good start). Good luck, TheronJ 21:38, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Allegation of Anti-Semitism to Muhammad

Hi SlimVirgin,

Again, its me! Again asking for help! Editor User:Arrow740 is saying the following about Muhammad : "he had a mission as a egomaniacal anti-Semite with an unhealthy lust for booty.", "The Quran contains numerous anti-semitic statements that shape Muslim views of Jews to this day."

SlimVirgin, you are quite knowledgable about Anti-Semitism. It is a western phenomenon. "There is nothing in medieval Islam which could specifically be called anti-semitism", Claude Cahen states. Bernard Lewis states that "In Islamic society hostility to the Jew is non-theological. It is not related to any specific Islamic doctrine, nor to any specific circumstance in Islamic sacred history."

SlimVirgin, I know that you are knowledgable about this issue. Please, in fairness, look into this. The few other admin's I've contacted thought that that is the POV of some scholars but it is NOT. Muhammad's attitude towards Jews was not racial but rather politicial. SlimVirgin, I can not seriously work together with this editor. Please help me.

Thanks

P.S. for relevant diffs, please see [23].

--Aminz 20:51, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Please ignore this. I feel better now. --Aminz 04:49, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Reverts to Leo Frank

You reverted this article based on "standard view". Please provide sources before reverting and also discuss on the talk page, this would work much better and make for a better article. Thanks --68.9.116.87 04:27, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Gah!

Slim, I got totally busy! I was actually going to tell you a fair time ago, but things have gotten a bit out of hand and I haven't been editing Wikipedia lately (I bought a house and arranged a wedding in several months...). On the off chance you are upset, I'm sorry! - Ta bu shi da yu 09:03, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Ha! :-) Ta bu shi da yu 09:10, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Help needed

I need help from a credbile editor with some clout on this site. I am dealing with a couple of anarchist POV-pushers on communism and socialism who-- unsurprisingly-- have been able to dupe some admins on the noticeboard to side with them. [24] The situation reminds me of dealing with the LaRouchies before the arbcom sanctions were effective. If you have the time, I'll really appreciate it if you take a look. Regards, 172 | Talk 09:30, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Mediation Cabal

Hi SlimVirgin: Care to comment? Please see: Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-11-17 Religious opposition to same-sex marriage in South Africa. Thank you. IZAK 12:24, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Animal rights

Although the Manual of Style states the sections can be merged, I believe it is misleading. As I stated in the talk page (in case you did not read it), linking to the home page of a external site is not considered further reading, but instead an external link, as you are not telling the reader "Check this page for more information", but instead, "go to this site". The article itself has just too many external links, and they should be trimmed to, at much, a dozen. We are not a link directory, and several can be removed without hurting the information already existing in the article. I suggest linking directly to the Open Directory, like dmoz.org/Society/Issues/Animal_Welfare/Animal_Rights. What do you think? -- ReyBrujo 02:51, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Beit Hanoun November 2006 incident

Hi SlimVirgin, I know youre busy but youre always making sense on the other articles so Im asking what you think on this one Beit Hanoun November 2006 incident.

Heres another edit by User:Nielswik.[25] He has a certain philosophy I think.Opiner 04:56, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Reverted Edit

Not all animals used in scientific procedures are killed. Almost all that are killed are euthanized. By law specific exceptions must be made not to euthanized animals in scientific procedures, and this portion of animal welfare law is particularly inflexible. Yet you insist on putting the words killed and not euthanized in the introduction to animal testing, reverting changes from euthanized to killed. As a matter of fact, there is no official count of animal deaths in testing in the USA, as only animals used are tracked. I don't see the content suffers either from removing it or from changing it from killed to euthanized, and insisting using your editorial position at wikipedia on including it and insisting on using the word killed is POV, you might as well change it to brutally murdered. --Animalresearcher 11:05, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for helping Wikipedia. I saw some ugliness associated with this page and wanted to offset it a bit by providing a link to an article I saw that especially noted efforts in Wikipedia in the area of Israel/Arab relations (it was all about how the NPOV efforts were creating a uniquely useful resource in establishing a mutually useful story that could join two sides together). But I can't find it now. But when I read it I thought, oh I bet slim would like to read this. It makes people who act like her seem like the new peace-makers. But I can't find it. Oh well. Thinking of you. Keep up the good fight. Even if we disagree a lot about ATT. 4.250.177.201 04:32, 19 November 2006 (UTC) (WAS 4.250)

Antisemitism

Please help with putting a summary of newantisemitism here [26] if you have time. Thanks --Aminz 08:16, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

But you are an Admin SlimVirgin. I can not believe what I am seeing --Aminz 00:57, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Nice and excellent sources [27] indeed. Much better than Lewis and Stillman.--Aminz 23:31, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Text of a deleted article

Is there any way to access the text of a deleted article? Is it possible for administrators? I need the text of "Quantum mechanics explained" for my personal notes. Thank you. --DenisDiderot 09:00, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Email

FYI, I'm sending you an email. JoshuaZ 18:40, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

And have done so again. JoshuaZ 05:36, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Query

Hi Three, is this you? SlimVirgin ^(talk) 00:51, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi Slim, no that isn't me but I do know him. I told him that he should register with Wikipedia. I actually know a few editors from here in Rhode Island. Cheers!--Tom 12:23, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your note, Tom. As a matter of interest, how could you know who someone is based on the IP address? SlimVirgin ^(talk) 15:50, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

This editor asked me to look at some articles he has edited and I have actually stood over his shoulder while he edited. Hopefully his recent blocks will slow him down but knowing him personally, I doubt it. He actually reminds me of myself when I first started on her a year ago. Like I said, I told him he needs to register and not wheel war but he told me to pound sand. I am glad to be back but will not be editing as much. Take care. --Tom 20:50, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Love the penguin. How do I get one?

(By the way, see HAPPY FEET.)

Hey, I know you're busy, but when you have a chance to spend some time with them -- hopefully this week -- I would really appreciate it if you could take a look at these questions [28] on the RFC at Talk:Zionism. Peace, BYT 11:46, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, Slim. Enjoy the holiday. BYT 21:05, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

pl read history before passing judgements

I haven't reverted Ingrid's page. I'm ok with MIchael's changes and only removed anon's citation from a letters to the editors. surely you don't intend to have double standards and allow that as a reliable source for her original quote? Which other articles are you talking about btw. I'm sourcing from the US Senate proceedings, and others which i've mentioned in the PETA talk page. Please don't keep pushing your POV when sources contradict. thanks. Idleguy 19:11, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

I fear you are starting to sound like launching another set of carefully worded insulting personal attacks, talking about english. I'm not game. Instead of constantly informing me to improve the english, you could do it yourself with the edit button, like the other person did, instead of reverting and then starting a conversation with me daily bickering with me that the english is bad. I've quoted the sources (reliable) on both pages but you accuse me of POVs; it only confirms that you have POVs to push. I prefer if you'd address the issues on relevant talk pages henceforth. Tx Idleguy 19:35, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Image:ALFRobinWebbSHAC.jpg

At the request of another user, I have marked Image:ALFRobinWebbSHAC.jpg as replaceable. If you'd like more information about this, please let me know. When you uploaded it, the replaceability of an image was either not a criteria or not enforced as it is now. --Yamla 21:14, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

You said: "The image is not replaceable for obvious reasons. He's addressing a SHAC meeting, which is why the image is being used. It's only replaceable if you're prepared to pay to restage the meeting. At the request of which user?"

The problem is that the image also did not require a detailed rationale which meant that it was not clear that this is why it was being used. As an image of any old SHAC meeting, it is certainly replaceable. If it is being used to depict this specific event, it is not. You can check my discussion page for who requested it be tagged. --Yamla 21:40, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

You said: "I did check your page but I can't see anyone asking that it be tagged. Can you tell me who asked? It is not replaceable "as an image of any old SHAC meeting." It has to be Robin Webb addressing one. Please read the policy. The image must be "reasonably" replaceable. You can't expect editors to stage special meetings and invite particular speakers just so they can reproduce a shot."

This is clear now, but until you added the rationale (which was not required when you uploaded this image), it was not clear that this is what the image was being used for. I agree, it is clearly not replaceable. The problem is entirely resolved to my satisfaction, thank you. As to the user, it was User:Aditya Kabir. The problem was that I marked one of his images as replaceable as it was a film screenshot used solely to depict a living person (not the character the actor was playing). In this case, the image is replaceable. The user was having a hard time understanding but I believe has a better understanding now. --Yamla 21:56, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Image:Dancingpenguin.gif listed for deletion

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Revert on Israeli Apartheid

SlimVirgin, I was working on that section, with references to apartheid. Can you kindly give editors a chance to add to the article? Thanks. Ilan Pappe has plenty to say about Israeli Apartheid, kindly review in detail: http://www.imemc.org/content/view/17103/1/ Kiyosaki 04:55, 22 November 2006 (UTC)