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[edit] Copy/Paste much?

Why is it part of the beginning is basically copy/pasted later on? Shouldn't one or the other be removed, so as not to be redundant? 72.218.81.51 (talk) 23:24, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Could you clarify what you mean by "the beginning"? If you are referring to something stated in the intro paragraph, then it should be repeated later on. The intro is to act as a general overview/summary of what is included in the article. Blackngold29 23:44, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
Oh, ok...that seems odd that it would say the exact same thing, but...whatever... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.218.81.51 (talk) 02:17, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

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I did a first run-through edit, but I will be making a more complete edit in the near future.SkyllaLaFey (talk) 18:53, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] ALERNATIVE METAL

why has it been removed again? i think it should be added again because: these sorces say they are alternative metal http://www.rockdetector.com/artist,8210.sm,http: and http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=11:dxfoxql5ldae~T1 some slipknot songs have no rap influence more complex riffs and guitar solos so wouln't count as nu metal or rap metal or heavy metal. they mix alot of diferant styles of metal and non metal music together. any thoughts?82.22.145.137 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 23:41, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

It was removed today by User:Bloodfall he stated "Alternative metal fits the elements of Nu metal, and not much of their music listed in this site is plain alternative metal" as his reason. I think it should be re-added, just because Wikipedia doesn't have articles about some of Slipknot's alt. metal songs doesn't mean they don't exist, and the goal of this page is to cover all of their music. Anyone else? Blackngold29 (talk) 01:44, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
Alternative metal should stay, but I think that experimental metal/rock should be added as well. You know, to cover the styles of Mate.Feed.Kill.Repeat. and a few extra songs as well. Dark Executioner (talk) 19:17, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
Dark Executioner, Slipknot is in no way experimental. It would be an unsourced and erroneous statement. Experimental would be Fantômas, Isis or maudlin of the Well, not Slipknot. Please, stop trying to find new genres to apply to bands! Zouavman Le Zouave 19:43, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

The infobox does not need to include every genre of every song that the band has ever written. It is a simply a general overview for the purpose of quick reference. Slipknot, as we all know, has a very diverse music repertoire from practically every genre. We should only include the main genres. Blackngold29 (talk) 19:53, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Exactly, the infobox genres give a general overview, not thousands of genres that they might slightly sound like. I mean, I wouldn't go over to Slayer's page and add death metal because they have a little bit of death metal in their music! Thanks for reading. Thundermaster (talk · contribs) 17:17, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

To Zouavman: I didn't add the genre to the page. Chill, man! I didn't add it because I didn't have a source. But if you've ever listened to MFKR, then you would obviously know without a shadow of a doubt that they had a ton of experimental moments. Dark Executioner (talk) 18:23, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

I did not accuse you of adding the genre, I was just telling you that I disagree with you. I have in fact listened to Mate.Feed.Kill.Repeat, and I don't see how it is experimental. Original, yes, but not experimental. I thank you for not having added the genre and I apologize for sounding like I was accusing you, which was not my intention. Regards, Zouavman Le Zouave 13:08, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
MFKR is progressive, funk/rap metal. Maybe it is experimental in comparison to their later works, but not generally. For exapmle L.A.P.D. (band) played almost the same music several years before MFKR. A ton of experimental moments would not make the band an avant-garde metal band--Lykantrop (Talk) 00:30, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Could 'funk metal (early)' be added to the genres with allmusicguide's article on MFKR as a citation then? Munci (talk) 16:17, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

I do not think that Slipknot sound, even on Mate.Feed.Kill.Repeat, is in any way similar to the funk metal played by bands like Mr. Bungle, Faith No More, or Rage Against the Machine. Allmusicguide often does terrible classification with musical genres, and I don't think it should be used as a source for genres for bands. Zouavman Le Zouave 18:48, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

What would you consider MFKR's genre to be then? Munci (talk) 18:34, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Nu metal, it's as simple as that. Zouavman Le Zouave 21:28, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

There are certainly some bits which are not rock at all like Confessions and parts of Do Nothing/Bitchslap so it's definitely not as simple as that. Munci (talk) 19:47, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Okay, as a title of comparision, Deathspell Omega's Si Monumentum Requires, Circumspice contains several Gregorian chants in the album (sometimes with no other instruments playing). The album still remains a black metal release because that is the overall genre of the album. Whether a couple of tracks depart slightly from the overall genre is irrelevant. Zouavman Le Zouave 11:28, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Slipknot (disambiguation) and Slipknot redirect

The article Slipknot (band) has more than 8000 views a day. Slip knot has less than 250 views a day. SlipKnot (web browser) has about 100 views a day. Every redirect should go to the most notable article. Only if the other articles are also important, the redirect should go to the disambiguation page. But Slipknot (band) is obviously and incomparably the most notable of the articles on the disambiguation page. And the redirect Slipknot should not be used as a disambiguation page. For this is the Slipknot (disambiguation)--Lykantrop (Talk) 00:09, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. Lykantrop said it all. :-) Zouavman Le Zouave 18:50, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] not alternative metal

Listen to real alt-metal (Faith no More, the melveins....) Slipknot isn´t an alt-rock-influenced band —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nu89 (talk • contribs) 17:36, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

What any single person thinks does not make a difference. Unless it can be cited to a credible source that Slipknot is not alternative metal it should remain. Blackngold29 17:44, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Associated acts

Can you add with the associated acts that #REDIRECT Joey Jordinson is playing for KoRn now? I didn't see that in there but it does say that he is playing for Korn while their drummer is on hiatus.36 AM May 19, 2007.

Can you show proof of that? Mr. GreenHit Me UpUserboxes 15:36, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Jordison did play with Korn, but I don't know if we should add that to the associated acts list, as it was only a temperary fill in for an already established band. Not a "side project" like the rest of them are. Blackngold29 16:19, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

I don't think we should put it on here, maybe on joey's page, but not on the slipknot page since the whole band didn't play with KoRn, just joey. Mr. GreenHit Me UpUserboxes 16:23, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

You're all wrong. Joey played with Korn in 2007 only. He hasn't played with them in over 8 months. I think the current Korn drummer is Ray Luzier or someone like that. 68.215.135.164 (talk) 19:32, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Look I know everybody see it their way BUT PEOPLE?! what I've read right now made me laugh and cry in the same time... I MEAN - "The band's musical influences include groove metal, extreme metal, industrial metal, and HIP HOP." what the hell?! rap, hip hop?! I mean I really don't know if someone was joking or what, but people change that please for the sake of the super cabbage... I even don't like Slipknot, I dislike their satanistic attitude(to tell you the truth it makes me sick) but I think its ridiculous to say that good musicians like Slipknot are(at least their music is good) are rap or hip hop, wtf?!?!? if this is not consequence of vantalism or joking, then I am trully shocked... --VEGETA_DTX (talk) 20:34, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

First of all no Slipknot members are satanic, I've actually heard them specifically say "Nobody is into that shit." Second, the groove metal and hip hop are sounds that Slipknot actually used themselves on Mate.Feed.Kill.Repeat. it is not vandalism. Blackngold29 20:40, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
Plus some of the lyrical patterns verge on rapping, for example their earlier stuff such as Spit It Out. It also states they are musical influences, I know Corey was influenced by Elvis but that doesn't mean he has to sing like him, so just by saying they were influenced by Hip Hop doesn't mean they need to sound like it. REZTER TALK ø 21:42, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] rivalry with mushroomhead

i think a "rivalry with mushroomhead" section should be added. since a "rivalry with slipknot" section is on the mushroomhead page... just add the same information and resource —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.210.67.136 (talk) 16:45, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm gonna have to oppose this suggestion on the grounds that this article is of GA status already, the section in the Mushroomhead article contains very few sources, and it isn't really a notable "event". I believe at one time this article did contain such a section, but it was removed prior to the GA proposal, so I see no reason to re-include it. Blackngold29 20:04, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
I second that it shouldn't be included. First off there is a small statement in the "Image and identities" section, also it isn't that important to Slipknot, their fans or the media attention they receive. I'm sorry but it seems that Mushroomhead are the only ones who have the grudge and they are in some ways playing on it to create a rift between the bands. Plus it's not even that big of a deal. REZTER TALK ø 20:36, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Other genres

Why is New Wave of American Heavy Metal not mentioned, check its page.

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It is well-cited to multiple sources, I support adding it. However, I would only put it in the infobox for now. Blackngold29 23:25, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
I am also in favour of adding this genre. It seems to be the most accurate genre to describe Slipknot's later works, plus it is well-cited. James25402 (talk) 18:09, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi guys. NWOAHM is not a musical genre. It is a movement. It has nothing to do with infobox of bands. But I am glad you are interested in inclusion of NWOAHM in Slipknot article. I wrote NWOAHM article and I had a problem to enforce it because of one user. So feel free to keep that thing in the article... But not infobox please - as I said - it is not a genre.--  LYKANTROP  20:55, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

I see, thanks for the clarification! Blackngold29 21:01, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm not looking to start a pointless argument or anything, but NWOBHM was also a movement and plenty of bands have it added in their infobox...

I know the NWOAHM is not as well-defined yet though, maybe it could be added to the infobox when the movement is a little more well-known? James25402 (talk) 09:27, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

The "NWOAHM is not as well-defined yet" is one true thing and the other thing is that it is wrong if some band has NWOBHM as a genre in the infobox. I think that it should be satisfactory as it is. The reason can be seen for example here: I added it originally to the subgenres of heavy metal (see here). I did not realize the error because the NWOBHM was also already here. And one user did realize the error and moved both NWOBHM and NWOAHM to the "regional scenes" (see here). You have for example Bay Area thrash, and it is also not in the infoboxes. NWOAHM is not a genre. The NWOAHM bands do not play the same genre. You have lots of metalcore bands,melodic death, altern, thrash, prog and so on.. As in NWOBHM is power metal, speed, classic heavy etc. So NWOBHM has also nothing to do in infoboxes.  LYKANTROP  11:24, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

I thought NWOAHM meant Metalcore... which Slipknot is certainly NOT!!!!! They do not even remotely sound like bands like Trivium or (horrible band) Avenged Sevenfold. Slipknot has more talent in their masks than metalcore has in its whole body! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.215.135.164 (talk) 19:36, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Good Article?

Well, it is a good article, but it includes some unsourced claims. Those were probably added after the GA-review, but now the article would not pass the Wikipedia:Good article criteria anymore. So I just recommend to source them or delete them, otherwise Slipknot will be deleted from the GA-list. Cheers--  LYKANTROP  20:49, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Man, the article is pretty good material! Why don't you fix the small errors and go to Wikipedia:Featured article criteria, Wikipedia:Peer review and Wikipedia:Featured article candidates?--  LYKANTROP  21:05, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Extreme Metal

I think Slipknot is a combination of Alternative Metal, Nu Metal, Rapcore, Thrash Metal and Extreme Metal —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.243.88.114 (talk) 19:05, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Unless you can provide a legit source to back up your claims it should remain as is. Thanks! Blackngold29 19:26, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The self titled album

Okay, does Jim Root play on the album at all? I thought the other guitars were Brainard! If this si the case, why is Brainard not credited? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.215.135.164 (talk) 20:54, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

See the Slipknot (album) article, I believe that everything is explained there. Thanks! Blackngold29 22:08, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] A Missing Album?

Are you curious about this too? I think I've found a Slipknot album that Wikipedia hasn't created an article for. It looks like all of the songs are very rare b-sides. Follow this link to check it out: [1] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.215.135.195 (talk) 14:59, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

That "album" is not an official band release, and contains no music from the band. I believe it is a spoken biography. Blackngold29 15:23, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
WHAT?!?! Man, I got all excited that it was a rare b-side album! 68.215.135.195 (talk) 16:35, 28 May 2008 (UTC)