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Contents 1 The sliding timer's geographic radius in season three 2 Brad Linaweaver's uplifting adjectives 3 S3 Continuity Error 4 Adding sources 5 Season 1 Cliffhanger 6 Clean up 7 Requesting Help 8 Retcon? 9 Sabrina Lloyd 10 Hitchhikers 11 Wade gang raped by Kromaggs 12 Episode List 13 Page move 14 Capitalization of the word 'earth' 15 References 16 Sabrina Lloyd (again) 17 UK vs. US airdate in the infobox 18 Possible inspiration for the series? 19 Spoiler warnings 20 Vortex color explanations 21 There should be a graph 22 Episodes aired out-of-order 23 Arturo fired? 24 S4 opening ep not on Earth Prime?

[edit] The sliding timer's geographic radius in season three

I've seen some dueling edits today on this topic, so I thought I would give the background on it. The new radius of the sliding timer grew out the early season two episode "Double Cross". In that episode, Logan St. Clair had developed a timer which had a 400 mile radius with her lab in San Francisco as the center point. By the conclusion of "Double Cross", Logan had swapped out her parts into our heroes' timer thus sticking them that 400 mile radius from there on. In the early season three episode "Dead Man Sliding", it is again stated that the timer has a 400 mile radius.

The confusion arises due to one comment later in season three. In the mid-season episode "The Exodus Part 1", it is stated that the timer has a 500 mile radius. That comment is just one of many mistaken details that plagued the script; and this is proven as the later season four and five episodes go back to saying 400 mile radius. As anyone can attest to, the standards for the series dropped in the last half of season three; and adhering to continuity wasn't much of a consideration.

So what's the answer? It was a 400 mile radius.DBHughes 15:04, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Brad Linaweaver's uplifting adjectives

Not sure what's going on with this, but I've noticed several users who keep editing the main article to say "famed author Brad Linaweaver" or "noted author Brad Linaweaver". What is the deal with this? Are the edits being done by Brad himself on some kind of an ego trip?

Just a bit above Linaweaver's credit, the "Connection to Other Works" section talks about Piers Anthony and George R. R. Martin; but some want to ignore those guys to put "famed" and "noted" next to Brad Linaweaver's name?

I may be wrong, but Wiki isn't about marketing an author. If Linaweaver is so famed and noted, then the readers of the article are going to know it without us telling them. Right? DBHughes 21:36, 09 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] S3 Continuity Error

Someone just added the idea that the uses of 'Earth Prime' after S3 aren't really Earth Prime at all because Quinn judged it was his actual Earth based on the fact that the gate squeaked, which was fixed in S2.

I'm thinking this should be removed, as

• There's no 100% confirmation that the S2 episode took place on Earth Prime (sure it was heavily implied, but you can't be certain)
• A gate that's 'fixed' temporarily could easily begin squeaking again in a year's time.

Now, it might be prudent to mention somewhere that, really, given how parallel worlds work, there's no way to really know they arrived on what was Actually Earth Prime, as opposed to an Earth that was extremely similar (right down to having its own group of missing Sliders), but saying that the S3+ Earth Prime wasn't _really_ Earth Prime strikes me as a fan who has a particular axe to grind (and believe me, I know that feeling particularly with this show), and not something that should be in the article as a whole.

Thoughts? Wandering Ghost 13:36, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

I concur with you and have been bold and reverted the addition. thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 13:41, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

At the end of the season two premiere, "Into the Mystic", the Sliders did return home. Writer of the episode and Sliders co-creator Tracy Torme' has confirmed it to myself personally (I operate Sliders - The Dimension of Continuity), but Torme' also stated this fact in a past interview. I will need to do some digging, but I can eventually cite the interview. That's something I'm sorting out for Wiki; actual cites to the source interviews where the information was divulged.

However, I still agree with deleting the "wrong Earth Prime" information from the main article. The truth is that after Torme' left the series, the season three producers wrote "The Exodus" with the intention that Quinn found his way to Earth Prime. In season four, the producers set up a storyline that would have revealed the Earth Prime of "The Exodus" was not really the Sliders' home; but the season four producers shelved the idea without killing it.

The truth is that the "wrong Earth Prime" idea is a sound theory backed up by the behind the scenes wrangling; but it's still just a theory. As I understand, theories are not appropriate for an article at Wiki; and any explanation of the behind the scenes I noted above would belong somewhere other than the main article (possibly as a behind the scenes note in the relevant, individual episode Wiki articles). DBHughes 19:25, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Adding sources

I just added the section "Episodes aired out of order." I know all this info because, well, I watched the show at the time. But I assume I need to prove that it's verifiable, so I would like to reference the book "Sliders: The Classic Episodes" by Brad Linaweaver. However, all of the references/sources on this page are for other websites. How do I make a reference for a book? Thanks. -- TOM-H-CRGL3 17:50, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

<ref name="Booknamehere">"[[Book name here]]", author name here, Page: #xyz (publishing year here)</ref> Deus Sum (Matthew Fenton) (talk • contribs) 17:55, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Awesome. Thanks! :) -- TOM-H-CRGL3 22:26, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Season 1 Cliffhanger

Why is the Season 1 cliffhanger left completely unresolved? For some reason Quinn gets shot by the lotto people but it's completely ignored in 2x01. -- MC Survey

It's not completely unresolved... they just kind of glance over it. "Oh no, Quinn's been shot and is bleeding to death! But now he's all better. Let's move on." But the reason is pretty much thanks to Fox. Despite the fact that fans made campaigns to renew the show for a second season, the suits didn't actually think the same folks would be able to remember the cliffhanger. Thankfully Tracy Torme went to bat - after all the crap they put him through, it was the one thing he fought for. Unforunately, they screwed him even with this, and he was allowed only a certain room and time to resolve it. Yes, it's a joke, but at least there was an effort.--Bacteria 15:31, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Same thing I noticed with the pilot and the beginning of 1x02. That gronk is Quinn's father in the universe he thought he slided home to, and he drops the wine glass in shock. Episode 2 makes no mention of this at all - they're just in some other universe right away. M.C. Brown Shoes 21:09, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, it happened sometimes...

In the end of the second episode (Fever - supposed to have been aired 5th) they were seen in a tent and mention a bunch of cannibals who were about to eat them. But it was never seen how they escaped.

It isn't a problem - many first season episodes ended with the Sliders sliding to a world in which the resolution was never given. It was just a funny way to end an episode. It did then lead to problems later in the season with Rembrandt incorrectly stating how many slides they had done up to that point - he said it as though it was one slide per ep, but the on screen evidence showed that more than one had happened.Mmm commentaries 12:49, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Clean up

Hey. I'd like to clean up the article a little. I'll not delete anything, but I think some rearranging and some expansion is in order. I've done all the changes, including images, etc, and they're saved on my computer. If I get the go ahead, I'll edit the page. It can only benefit the article, but if you're not happy with the changes I make, go ahead and revert, or build upon it... I'd eventually like to expand the entire Sliders project on Wikipedia. -- Avengers fan 23:28, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

Well... I got impatient... Lol! Hope you like it! -- Avengers fan

[edit] Requesting Help

Hey. Me again. I'd like to request that whoever's interested in expanding the Sliders articles on Wikipedia discuss together and get something done. Get a page for each of the main characters, not just the season 1/2 cast? Maybe some more episodes? If we can come up with maybe four or five approved headings to include in each character profile, I think it'll all be a lot neater... -- Avengers fan 19:36, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

I've changed the link to Roger Daltrey (2) back to Roger Daltrey, for two reasons:

1. we don't use numbers for disambiguation here; [[Roger Daltrey (actor)]] would have been more correct
2. according to IMDb it is in fact the same Roger Daltrey as the Roger Daltrey article is about, so no disambiguation is required

—Paul A 01:13 14 Jul 2003 (UTC)

What similarities does Sliders supposedly have with Quantum Leap? -Branddobbe 00:27, Apr 21, 2004 (UTC)

• A physicist travels between various different time/space realities and has a fixed amount of time in which they stay in that reality.
• Each reality's stay usually lasts for the duration of one TV episode, with the exception of two-part episodes.
• There are 'evil leapers' in both- who are trying to undermine the work of the protagonists.
• There is an emphasis placed on significant events in Earth's history. In Quantum Leap, Sam attempts to change significant events for the better; in Sliders, they experience the after-effects of significant changes in history in alternate quantum realities.

- DropDeadGorgias (talk) 15:12, Apr 21, 2004 (UTC)

Actually, I think there was a parallel (no pun intended) in that both shows, especially in Sliders' first season, that each episode ended on the start of a new adventure. Each episode of Quantum Leap ended with Sam in a new time and place, uttering his catch phrase "Oh, boy..." I think the best example of a comparison was in "Fever" where they ended on the cannibal world - a dead-on Quantum Leap moment. Another similarity was that both sets of travelers were just wanting to get home, lost in the trans-dimensional fabric. It's also interesting to study the terms used to coin both sets of respective travelers and their their travels - Leapers, Leaping; in comparison to Sliders and Sliding. A difference between shows that I believe is worth noting is that it was Sam's mission and purpose to change things before he can leave with a hope that it will get him closer to home. The sliders, however, could leave regardless, and they often debated among one another if they should interfere with the locals, to use their own terminology. They could just as easily stayed out of trouble and slide on time, but if they did that, it wouldn't be a very interesting show, would it? --Bacteria 09:31, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Retcon?

I watched the pilot of Sliders and I remember one of the initial elements of the premise was that something would happen if they didn't all slide together when the timer opened the vortex; if one of them said "Man, this world is nice, I'd rather just stay here than take my chances continuing to hop around," it would doom the others in ... some way I can't remember. Of course, later in the show the make-up of the group did change, starting with Arturo getting killed and Maggie joining -- did they ever mention what this did to the whole "We have to slide together!" part of the premise, or did they just ignore it? -- Antaeus Feldspar 22:51, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)

The details of what happens if they "miss the slide" changed a couple of times. If you watch season 1 in its original airing order (instead of the order the writers intended), it's more confusing because episode 2 (which tried to explain the timer) didn't air until 5th or 6th. In the beginning, the timer had to be activated when the display hit 0:00:00 because that's the only time the gateway would be accessible. If it was not activated, the group would be stranded on that earth forever. Later on (I'm going by memory in this part so please CMIIW) the story became that another gateway would be available in something like 27 years.

That must be a non-season 1 reference - nothing in the first season indicates that anothe rportal will be there in 27 years. In the season finale, Quinn states that it may tax the device to send more than four people. But they end up being able to get through with one extra guy (and a dog!) with no problems.Mmm commentaries 12:56, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

I don't remember anything about the whole group having to go together. In fact, side characters came and went pretty freely. There was a throwaway line early on about the timer being set for 3 people but actually transporting 4, which might cause problems with the hardware, but that plotline wasn't explored further.

Mike 09:36, Jun 6, 2005 (UTC)

It's a common thing for pilots to contain elements of a TV series that don't make it into the general show if it's picked up. After all, in the pilot, it was suggested that the Sliders have to return to the point where they first entered that universe to have any hope of returning home. It's just something that happens... for that matter, look at the pilot for Star Trek: TNG and compare how the characters are handled to the rest of the show.--MythicFox 07:33, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

If you watch the first season episodes in the aired order, you'd notice that the vortex can be opened at will only in the first episode. The idea, as intended, was that when Quinn activated the timer prematurely in pilot episode on that frozen world, it compromised the timer. It was then re-rigged (in "Summer of Love") so as to count down to the nearest window of oppertunity. If they miss it, they'd have to wait 29.7 years (or a miraculous oppertunity such as the timer in "Slide Like an Egyptian").

The timer was used twice on the world with the killer insects, the episode where the team got seperated but by an incredible fluke ended up on the Summer of Love planet. The indication is there the timer can always be manually operated, but it can have disastrous consequences.Mmm commentaries 12:56, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

"Summer of Love" was supposed to be the episode aired right after the pilot movie, but Fox aired everything out of order as rating stunts (Fox thought "Fever" would get better ratings as the first one hour episode since the Dustin Hoffman movie "Outbreak" had recently been popular at theaters).

Because of Fox's tampering, the producers decided to edit out a small portion of "Summer of Love" since it only worked as a second episode line. The line explained how the only way to avoid destroying the timer through burn out was to wait for a "weak spot" between realities; and that long equation Quinn and Arturo had worked out on the apartment wall was a mathematical equation plotting a spiral chain of these opportunities as the Sliders traveled with the flow (and down the drain). The problem was that if they broke the spiral (i.e. missed a slide), then it would take 29.7 years before the spiral showed the next opportunity on the world where they stayed. In other words, 29.7 was the constant of the equation.

Incidentally, this weak spot is also the explanation for the fluke you mention. The reason it landed them on "Summer of Love" earth is because that reality hadn't moved far away yet. Quinn and Arturo ended up in a different geographic location because the teather (tunnel) between the two dimensions had been severed and reconnected. It's all based on a "bubble reality" approach where realities are like a ball pit at Chucky Cheese with the balls constantly shifting as they roll over each other's surfaces.

Anyway, that's how the creators intended the timer to work; and the 29.7 year rule was mentioned many times starting in season three (even though it was never explained well). -- DBHughes (talk) 05:07, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

The thing about being together was simply that if they wanted to get back home, or if, at the least, they didn't want to be stranded, they had to stay together (which was a major hole in logic in "Slither"), otherwise those with the timer had to slide without all four, or risk missing the slide to regroup. It was a choice, as noted in "The King is Back" wherein which Remmy wants to stay and the others have to slide without him in respect of his decision. The timer was set for three people. Rembrandt tagging along was stretching it, and they were warned that more could do them damage when sliding as it would put a strain on the vortex. This was kind of an inconsistency, mainly because when they all first slide, they picked up Rembrandt's cadillac as well, which would guarantee that they were ensured enough mass for at least a fifth person. --Bacteria 21:31, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Sabrina Lloyd

The article claims that Sabrina Lloyd was allegedly fired. According to [1], she (allegedly) quit, telling David Peckinpah, "It's me or Kari." Q0 12:56, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hitchhikers

The article claims that in season 2, the sliders agreed as a rule to no longer accept hitckhikers. When did this happen? I remember hitchhikers were taken/invited in the following episodes:

• The Luck of the Draw: Ryan
• Love Gods: A married couple
• El Sid: Sid and Michelle
• Murder Most Foul: Trevor was invited
• The Other Slide of Darkness: Quinn's double was invited
• Mother and Child: Christine and her son Jonathin went with the sliders, even after they were on a safe world.

Since they kept inviting people, it doesn't seem like they made it a rule to not accept hitchhikers. Q0 20:57, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Well, I do recall this being a subject with the sliders, but I can't say for certain in which episode this was adressed. I should comment, however, that making a rule and sticking to it are two different things - especially since they did in fact make it a rule not to interfere with the "locals" very early in the first season. And I think we all know how that turned out. --Bacteria 21:09, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

From what I remember, in the episode "El Sid", Arturo warned Rembrandt about the dangers of taking more people along with them, and that every time they add a body, they increase the risk that they will all be finely spread like jelly across an infinite number of dimensions. However, I'm not sure if they actually made a rule against hitchhikers; I think Arturo might have simply been warning about the dangers of taking more people. Q0 21:31, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

I don't recall El sid, but he also said something like that in "The Luck of the Draw" when Rembrant suggested allowing some beautiful black woman to slide with them instead of being executed. (By the lottery) OzOz

[edit] Wade gang raped by Kromaggs

It says in this article that Wade was "sentenced to be gang raped by Kromaggs" - did I miss something, or is it just the charming way of the writer to describe the breeders' camp?

Holy shit; you're right. It must have been something that get in there when someone wasn't looking, and didn't go over the article to find it later. I have now rephrased it to something more appropriate. --Bacteria 18:50, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

That is the funniest thing i've read all day! HarveyDanger 05:56, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Episode List

There are plenty of TV shows on Wikipedia, and they tend to have episode lists. As i sit here watching my sliders dvd, i have to question why this page does not.
I am hesitant to create an episodes list at this time, because i do not know if there has already been one that has been deleted. i cannot find anything about it. any opinions before i start? Jeremys779 04:25, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

There is one at List of Sliders episodes. Q0 05:29, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

yes there is. i wonder why i could not find it before. i am going to link it from the main page. thanks! Jeremys779 07:05, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

I notice that Season Two on the list of Sliders episodes is not in the viewing order the producers intended; the list is instead in the order Fox aired the episodes.

Sliders fans have debated the subject for many years, and the consensus is that the producer's intended viewing order is the one that should be promoted. The main reasoning behind that choice is two-fold. Fox only aired "Invasion" next to last because many Fox Execs hated the episode; so "Invasion" was scheduled to first air in the dead of summer when the Fox Execs felt no one would be watching television anyway. Also, Fox only aired "As Time Goes By" as the Season Two finale because the Fox Execs were honestly confused by the episode (which isn't a surprise if you know the Fox Execs). Much like "Invasion", the Fox Execs scheduled "As Time Goes By" to air in the dead of summer the week after "Invasion"; the reasoning was again because they felt no one would be watching television at that point.

The below order is how the producers meant Sliders Season Two to viewed; and it makes more sense in several regards even though it's not fatal to view the Season Two episodes out of order.

Into the Mystic

Time, Again and World

El Sid

Love Gods

The Good, the Bad and the Wealthy

As Time Goes By

Gillian of the Spirits

Obsession

Invasion

Post-Traumatic Slide Syndrome

In Dino Veritas

Greatfellas

The Young and the Relentless

I've planned for some time to add some more information to the Sliders Wikipedia entry, and I'll try to get around to it soon. I've operated http://www.dimensionofcontinuity.com since 1998, and I've talked to practically everyone who worked on producing Sliders; I even have a collection of well over 100 props used in the show's filming along with a copy of every script written. However, everyone who has worked on the Sliders Wikipedia entry has done a great job; and I'm glad to see the show represented so well at Wikipedia. --TemporalFlux 18:33, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

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I don't know where to exactly put this and it's been some time since I've seen the show but I remember in an episode of season 1, the groups made a slide to San Fransico. This San Fran was deserted and they looked at the bay and saw a giant tidal wave coming towards the city. i was thinking that would make for a great episode but it was never explored. Does anyone also remember this?

539

This was at the end of the episode Summer of Love (Sliders). Q0 02:20, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

And the beginning of the episode, The Prince of Wails. The episodes were aired (and DVD-ized) out of order. 15:32, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Page move

I didn't noticed this at first, but Sliders was recently moved to Sliders (TV program). This slipped by because not only does watching a page not cover moves, and I'm a bit bothered by the fact that an announcement or vote on this talk was avoided. So given how the title of this page relates to the disambiguation and such, I was just wondering if I'm the only one who think it was just fine the way it was and should be moved back, or, at the least, it be moved to Sliders (TV series), per naming convention? --Bacteria 10:37, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

I also think it was best the way it was before, when it was just named Sliders. However, if it has to be moved, then it should be called Sliders (TV series), not Sliders (TV program). Q0 19:22, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for moving the page back. I was going to do it myself when I realised that a week had passed, but I guess I was a day too late. I don't think the mover is familar with usage of the word "slider" vs. "sliders", and a brief look at the articles that link here give the impression that most, if not all, are referencing the series. It's no more confusing than the "Quantum Leap"/"quantum leap" thing. --Bacteria 08:48, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Capitalization of the word 'earth'

I think the word 'earth' should be capitalized in the same way that the words 'mom' and 'dad' are capitalized. If a specific person is called 'Mom' or 'Dad', then the words are capitalized. However, if you say "my mom", "the dad", "some mothers", etc., then they are in lower-case. In the same context, I think "the earth", "an earth", "most earths", etc. should be in lower case, but when 'Earth' is used as the name of a planet, without an article like 'the' attached to it, it should be capitalized (as in "I returned to Earth." or "I returned to the earth."). Therefore, I think Earth Prime should be capitalized because it refers to a specific earth and does not have an article like 'the' attached to it. Q0 03:53, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

In the context of this article, where 'Earth' is always used in the context of other planets (other Earths), isn't Earth a proper noun referring to the territory that is our world? If we were referring to Russia on alternate worlds, wouldn't we refer to them as alternate Russias? Or, going to a galactic scale, alternate Milky Ways?

Wikipedia's Manual of Style (capital letters) has this to say:

The words sun, earth, and moon are proper nouns when the sentence uses them in an astronomical context

This article seems to refer to Earth as a planet with respect to all the other planets called 'Earth' in other dimensions in almost every case. 15:25, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] References

I noticed that the article is tagged as needing references. Could the episodes themselves count as references? Q0 03:57, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sabrina Lloyd (again)

The article states, "Sabrina Lloyd began starring on ABC's Sports Night during the hiatus between switching from Fox to Sci-Fi Channel". I thought that although there was a large gap of time between when Fox aired its last episode and when Sci-Fi aired its first, the production of the fourth season (the first on the Sci-Fi channel) began in the fall following the last season on Fox. There does not appear to be a hiatus in production of Sliders between Fox and Sci-Fi. Q0 21:24, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

I should say that my understanding is that the sequence of events is as follows:

• Approximately February-April 1997: Production of season three of Sliders ends.
• May 16, 1997: Fox airs the last first run episode of season three.
• September 16, 1997: Sci-Fi Channel begins production of season four.
• June 8, 1998: Sci-Fi Channel airs first episode of season four.
• September 22, 1998: Sports Night first airs on ABC.

Sports Night did not air until around a year after Sliders production began on the Sci-Fi channel. Though I do not know when production of Sports Night began, it is my guess that it is like most shows and produced about two months in advance. Sliders was unusual in that it was made a year in advance. Q0 21:30, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

• I'll clarify it. Here's my source, which I'll also add to the article. [2].--M@rēino 15:43, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you fore the reference. However, some assertions in the article are still undocumented in the source. The article claims, "During the fourth season, fans began petitioning for Lloyd to return, as were writers such as Marc Zicree. Sabrina Lloyd signed a contract with ABC's Sports Night during the hiatus between switching from Fox to Sci-Fi Channel, and was now filming." The reference does not say that fans or Marc Zicree were petitioning to bring Sabrina Lloyd. The only mention of Marc Zicree in the reference is that he wanted there to be a reason Wade was sentenced to the breeder camp. Also, the reference does not say that Sabrina Lloyd signed a contract with ABC during the hiatus between Fox and Sci-Fi. If she did, then it would mean she signed the contract with ABC at least one year before Sports Night began airing on ABC. Q0 20:04, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

• On the contrary, the source does say that fans were petitioning to bring back Sabrina Lloyd. "In season five, production decided to resolve Wade's character due to fan inquiries and demands."[3]--M@rēino 15:27, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I guess I missed that part. However, I still can't find anything saying that Marc Zicree wanted Sabina Lloyd back; all I found was a claim that Zicree wanted there to be a reason for the Kromagg breeder camp. Q0 19:07, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] UK vs. US airdate in the infobox

The infobox gives the following information:

network = Fox/Sci Fi Channel
first_aired = March 22, 1995
last_aired = December 29, 1999 

I think it is misleading to list the network as being Fox and Sci Fi (United States version) but then list an airdate based on when the show was aired in the United Kingdom. I think that if the U.K. airdate is going to be used as the "last_aired" parameter, then whatever network was the first to air the last episode in the U.K. should also be listed along with Fox and Scifi in the network parameter of the infobox. Does anyone know what network first aired the last episode of Sliders in the U.K.? Q0 15:07, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Possible inspiration for the series?

Read "A Greater Infinity" (1982) by Michael McCollum and you'll find the book very similar to "Sliders", it even has a Kromagg type race which humans are fighting across multiple Earths.

[edit] Spoiler warnings

David Gerard removed the spoiler warning tag. which preceded the "Plot" section heading, with the following justification in the edit summary rm redundant - plot summaries obviously contain plot elements.

Q0 reverted with the explanation: for some it is important to avoid spoilers. It might seem obvious to some but not to others that the section contains spoilers. It's better safe than sorry so I think the tag should stay.

While I agree with Q0 that it's important for some people to avoid reading about plot elements, the section heading "Plot" is clear enough. Having a redundant warning is bad style, and David is right when he says that plot summaries obviously contain plot elements. I've removed the tag again.

Please leave a note here if you decide to restore the tag. --Tony Sidaway 17:45, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vortex color explanations

I noticed that information was just added to the main article about vortex color, but I was wondering how far we want to take that information? The producers and FX people have told me that they were just throwing colors out there to shake things up, but there is an unintentional rationale to the color progression - gravitational red shift. You can read more about it in the below article that I penned:

http://www.sliders.tv/bboard/viewtopic.php?id=106

I do think that the information is interesting, but it may not be appropriate for the main article given its speculative nature. Off hand, I do not even have a professional article or interview to cite for the producers' intentions on this issue; my offerings even on that issue would be hearsay.DBHughes 11:55, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

I've reverted the good faith addition of the text as it's too speculative. Matthew 17:11, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] There should be a graph

Showing the progressive deterioration of the show. After the character Maximillian Arturo died, the show just wasn't the same. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.63.78.91 (talk) 22:31, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Episodes aired out-of-order

Why is this under the cast section? It either needs to be given its own section, or merged with something else (maybe create a production section). Though I think a reasonable course of action would be merging it with the List of Sliders episodes article since that's the most appropriate area for the time being. --Bacteria (talk) 01:01, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree with this. I think it would fit best in the plot section as Item 2.6 (listed after the season five synopsis). After all, the episode order most affects the plot of the series; but the section as written fits best as a footnote to the season by season plot discussion. Just my opinion, though. DBHughes (talk) 02:31, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Arturo fired?

The article makes an assertion that Rhys was fired by the network - and cites a magazine article as its source. Reading that article just now, it makes no mention of him being fired (certainly disatisfied with the show and its producers, particularly one producer who left after S2), but it doesn't state he was fired, merely left due to disatisfaction with his role and the series in general (which was my understanding as well). I would like to change it to merely say he left the show (and perhaps mention the disatisfaction) but to say he was fired is wrong.Mmm commentaries (talk) 02:19, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Regardless of what that article says, it's a fact that he was fired. An interview Cleavant Derricks brings this to light quite clearly. If that's not considered a creditable source, then I give up. --Bacteria (talk) 02:32, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

It's pretty common knowledge about JRD's firing, but it is a different magazine article that corroborates the information. The October 1998 issue of Sci-Fi Universe featured an interview with John Rhys-Davies, and JRD is directly quoted as saying he was fired. There doesn't appear to be scans of the article online, but I'll work on getting scans together so that they can be added to http://www.earth62.net 's magazine archive. Original scans of the article are an unquestionable and instantly recognizable true source for the information.

The link given by Bacteria is to a personal interview that would be considered original research under Wiki's guidelines, and as such, it is not usable as a source.DBHughes (talk)02:59, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Not wanting to dispute JRD, but it looks like he had long standing beefs with the production staff, so anything that came of his departure from the series might not be particularly impartial. There is a big difference between being fired and not having your contract renewed for example. As i said, happy to be proved otherwise, but surely an interview such as that would not be particularly creditable and 100% reliable?Mmm commentaries (talk) 04:43, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

That is a slippery slope. Under you thought, nothing said by anyone would ever be reliable. The information concerning JRD's firing has been tested and verified countless times over the past 10 years. I have verified the information myself through several producers and actors. However, the only thing Wiki will accept as a legitimate source with regard to the firing is that Sci-Fi Universe article I mentioned.

I can understand that you don't like this information about JRD; your bias there has become quite clear. However, your personal reading between the lines is not a legitimate source under Wiki standards. But if we are going to look "between the lines", I would like you to take note of something. Professor Arturo had his brains sucked out, was shot through the heart and then left on a planet that blew up; do you truly believe that kind of exit was written on amicable terms?DBHughes (talk) 05:55, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

I don't have any sort of bias - I merely want the truth to be accurately represented - and according to Wiki standards it hasn't. If anyone has a bias it is somebody like yourself who talks to actors and producers from the show. It is difficult for somebody like myself who can only generously count himself as a casual fan to have any sort of bias.Mmm commentaries (talk) 01:40, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

The source has been added; the reference to the firing can be found near the top of Page 57. Again, this magazine article is just a direct, appropirate source to information on the firing; multiple production sources over the years have corroborated to myself and many others that JRD was indeed fired.DBHughes (talk) 03:21, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

No, wait, are you seriously telling me that an interview from someone who was a first-hand witness to the behind-the-scenes going-ons is "original research"? I'm just going to put that question out there because there's no reason to elaborate. Like I said, if that's not considered a good source, then I simply give up. Not just on this article, but on the wiki in general because that's just the kind of bullshit bureaucracy that makes idioits of us all. --Bacteria (talk) 21:03, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

• As a completely impartial observer, I concur with Bacteria: this is not original research. An argument could be made that the source is not reliable, but I for one think it is a perfectly valid and reliable source. --Kweeket ^Talk 21:16, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

And how do you know it's an interview with a first-hand witness? You take the word of a fan? That's why Wiki has the original research standard. As mentioned in Wiki standards, there is no reason to point to a questionable web based interview when we have a published article in a reputable magazine that gives the same information. I now have the magazine article in hand and will be scanning it tonight.

As I stated earlier in the conversation, JRD was indeed fired; that information is true. However, it is not easy to validate other information presented in the web based interview Bacteria mentioned. Let's be honest, what are the criteria being used to find reliability of the web based interview? Volume of information on the site? Glitzy presentation? Age of the site? Is that all it takes?DBHughes (talk) 21:54, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Well, the info shouldn't come from a fan site to begin with. Your upcoming scans with the pertinent information will be welcome, and I presume the mag is well known enough to be considered reputable? Personally i had never heard of it. Look forward to reading the article.Mmm commentaries (talk) 01:43, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Sci-Fi Universe was a prominent sci-fi magazine on newsstands throughout the 1990's. In 1997, Sovereign Media (who also published Sci-Fi Channel's official magazine - Sci-Fi Entertainment) purchased Sci-Fi Universe, and the magazine was eventually phased out in favor of Sci-Fi Channel's official magazine. You can find news of Sovereign Media's purchase in the archives at Sci-Fi Channel's official website (see bottom).DBHughes (talk) 03:14, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

I Googled this topic and found this Sliders 'Prof Arturo' cast article that might help this topic: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CheckingtheGate/message/1 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.168.45.83 (talk) 17:45, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] S4 opening ep not on Earth Prime?

Article states there are clues in the opening ep of S4, to indicate that the Earth Beckett and Quinn find Brown on is not their home world. i just watched it the other day again but I couldn't pick anything in it to indicate that it wasn't. It would also make a mockery of the S4 mission, to rescue Earth Prime from the Kromaggs (search for Quinn's homeworld and the supposed superweapon thereon), and Quinn's resolute "we'll be back". So what evidence is there to say it isn't Earth Prime, when the entire story, drive and future ep setup indicate that it is?Mmm commentaries (talk) 02:27, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

To my knowledge, the S4 conspiracy plot was never stated in a magazine article; all information has been obtained through original research by fans. As such, mention of the clues (even though they exist) do not constitute valid information for Wiki. However, you can view a run-down of the planned S4 conspiracy and its production history at this forum among other places.DBHughes (talk) 03:20, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Very interesting thread, if only from a fan perspective. But I stick by the "if it ain't on screen, it ain't canon' theory. Sure, there are a lot of nice ideas in the "roads not travelled" concepts for S4, but since they weren't travelled they can be considered nothing but fan fiction. Back to my original point - I would like to know what supposed clues are present on screen in Genesis to indicate the possibility that that Earth is not Earth Prime. Otherwise, the reference to it possibly not being so should be removed.Mmm commentaries (talk) 04:40, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

You will note that I clearly stated the "wrong Earth Prime" reference was not valid information for Wiki. The forum thread I linked to lists out the information the prior Wiki contributor was alluding to; and while the behind the scenes information is true (I spent years researching it), it is solely original research that is not valid by Wiki standards.

There is much of the main Wiki article I have not read even though I keep meaning to, and the narrative of the seasons really does need a good bit of cleaning up. However, I have applied a fix to the section in question that should be acceptable. The truth of the situation is that the Sliders believed it was Earth Prime. The caveat I would leave in the discussion here is that beliefs can be wrong, and Quinn truly had very little evidence that was indeed Earth Prime he found in "The Exodus". A necklace under the mattress is practically as bad as using a squeaky gate to test whether one made it home or not.DBHughes (talk) 05:42, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the edit, but I feel it doesn't go far enough. Nothing in the Sliders TV show contradicts the assertion that the S4 opener takes place on Earth. The whole episodes drive, narrative and also the future arc works off that premise. Now, if the proposed S4 storylines did come to fruition (mind control, deceit etc) then it would be right to say "believed to be home earth". But since the series never contradicts it, and the characters in the ep say it is, and the season arc from that point on works off that, the text should change to be something like "Kromaggs have invaded Earth Prime".Mmm commentaries (talk) 01:47, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

We'll just have to disagree then. This is a similar situation to the "first aired" debate. Most at Wiki seem to believe that the first date anywhere in the world is the first aired date, but many others think it should be the first air date planned by the studio that actually produced the series. I'm not saying who's right or wrong on that issue, but there was a constant battle of edits on the article as people disagree on the air date issue. The answer was a kind of compromise - the article now presents both pieces of information in an appropriate way thus stopping the edit battles.

The Earth Prime issue is another example of area in debate. It's great that you think you have the hard answer, but it isn't so black and white to the rest of the world. I agree that the original wording you pointed out was faulty, but this notion of making it a hard answer is what led to your protest; others will protest your hard answer, and this will be tied up in edit battles forever.

My effort with this specific Earth Prime issue was to pose the information in a way that was accurate yet would avoid edit battles. The Earth Prime issue was never satisfactorily settled on the series; the characters were operating under a belief based on a necklace hidden under Quinn's mattress. The mattress belief is what we were shown, and that can be taken in more than one way.DBHughes (talk) 03:36, 5 February 2008 (UTC)