Talk:Slavophone Greeks

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[edit] Upgrading the Page

The whole article is funny!!! Find me someone in Greece who speaks slavonic languages. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.132.228.229 (talk) 17:45, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Merge with Aegean Macedonians

I propose merging this page, Slavophone Greeks, with Aegean Macedonians, under a third, neutral title. First suggestion: Slavophones of Greece, open for better suggestions.

Rationale: These two articles are effectively POV forks of each other. Their subjects are not really two distinct groups in the real world, but two POV perspectives on what both sides in the real world perceive of essentially a single group. It is true that some members of this group perceive of themselves as ethnic Macedonians and others as ethnic Greeks – but people of both convictions seem to nevertheless perceive of those of their neighbours who have a different persuasion as being still part of the same group as themselves. I have never seen a reliable source that treats these as two different minorities. People out there either think that all of these Slavic-speakers are Macedonians, or that all of them are Greeks. Therefore, they should be treated together in one article, which must neutrally present both POV perspectives. Our current two-article solution seems to be a purely Wikipedia-internal invention. Fut.Perf. ☼ 11:23, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Slavs of Greece won't go down too well, I assume? BalkanFever 11:27, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Well no, because it presumes non-Greekness based solely on language. Isn't that what the whole debate is about? The rift between those who live in/come from Greece but don't want to be Greek, and those who (feel that they) are Greek despite their Slavic mother tongue (or that of their grandparents)? And, to be fair to FP, we're not only talking about a single group split into two camps, but in many cases the very same family. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 11:39, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

(ec) Don't want to be Greek? Those (ethnic) Macedonians living in Greece are Greek. The problem is your government's (coincidentally the nationalists') stance that you have to be an ethnic Greek to be Greek. To be ethnic Macedonian and to be Greek is not impossible. An ethnic Serb can be as Hungarian as the next guy. An ethnic Georgian can be as Russian as Stalin (oh wait). BalkanFever 12:04, 14 June 2008 (UTC)