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[edit] Hello

Hello SkylsFalling, I need your assistance on an article Ford BA Falcon please of you can could you complete one of the following points:

  • Copy/edit
  • Add information
  • Review article
  • Nominate article for Good Article status

If you have any questions just go to my talk page. SenatorsTalk | Contribs 23:31, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

It looks like there are a few fingers in that pie already, as of 13:51 AEST there have been 14 edits to the article so far today. However I'll see if I can take a look when I've got some time. SkyIsFalling 13:51, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Jimbo is coming to Sydney

Sorry to spam you if you aren't interested. See Wikipedia:Meetup/Sydney#April 25th for more info if you are interested. - Ta bu shi da yu 08:46, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ideal Cruising

Hi

I just received a warning for my Ideal Cruising page as it is considered as a blatant advertising.

Apart from offering cruise deals we are providing our visitors with latest cruise news and cruise reviews, details of port-of-calls and destinations and we approaching this aspect of our business as a very valuable one.

Could you please revise your opinion or give us any suggestions by how to avoid removing the page?

Do u consider [[Category:Travel and holiday companies]],[[Category:Travel agencies and holiday companies of the United Kingdom]] suitable for us?

Kind regards,

Jane —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jane524 (talk • contribs)

Hi Jane,

You should probably first check Wikipedia:Notability (organizations_and_companies) and make sure that the company in question is considered noteable. If you think it is, explain why here in plain English and I'll help you establish notability, if warranted. SkyIsFalling 14:01, 12 June 2007 (UTC)



I did check Wikipedia:Notability (organizations_and_companies) and think it is noteable.

The website provides with latest cruise news and cruise critics allowing visitors to make just choice on which cruise line or ship to choose. We created cruise community website full of advices for people taking the trips. Cruise reviews are extremely useful for people planning to go on holidays. All data used across the cruise reviews, cruise news and cruise critic pages doesn't have any commercial value and based on cruise travelers' experiences only.

Thank you,

Jane —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jane524 (talk • contribs)

Hi again Jane.

What you have described does not (in my opinion at least) constitute notability. Your website may be useful or informative, but that in itself is not a criteria for it being noteable. The main critereon for inclusion of a business or organisation is that it has been the subject of secondary sources, and that those sources are WP:RS. If you can explain to me why the company or its website is notable on those grounds, I'll happily show you how it can be included in Wikipedia. If not, I'm afraid it simply shouldn't be here. SkyIsFalling 14:20, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the detailed answer.

i still consider Ideal Cruising website noteable.

Please have a look on this articles, they might be handy

Newspapers:

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2007090037,00.html

http://travel.independent.co.uk/news_and_advice/article319660.ece

As an award winning travel agency we have features running on us in several newspapers on a regular basis.

Regards,

Jane —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jane524 (talk • contribs)

I'm not sure whether the links you posted are good examples of secondary sources. They also do not satisfy the requirement for "significant coverage" as established in the general notability guidelines - merely having the company's name mentioned is not enough, it must be mentioned in detail. Finally, to clarify: merely including these sources does not establish notability - the article should establish why the company is considered noteable, and use reliable sources to verify this.

I'd encourage you to take some time to read about notability, verifiability and what Wikipedia is not (especially WP:NOT#SOAPBOX, and try to come up with a structured argument based around those guidelines/policies.

On another note, I would appreciate it if you would sign your posts in future by placing ~~~~ at the end. SkyIsFalling 15:06, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Digital-Evolutions deletion

SkyIsFalling,

Can you explain to me why the Digital-Evolutions program was deleted? It is no different then any of the other programs at smoky hill, like Choir, Drama, Robotics, Science Bowl.

Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Steely 340 (talk • contribs)

  • Short answer: blatant self promotion/advertising, see WP:SOAP and WP:SPAM.
    Your article Digital-Evolutions was speedied on the basis that it constituted blatant advertising. Following the deletion, I reviewed your contributions to Smoky Hill High School and other articles, and removed other instances of self-promotion. My rationale for removing references to Digital-Evolution from Smoky Hill High School and not any of the other programs listed is soley that I did not review the other programs during the course of my edits. By not removing the other programs I am not trying to imply anything about their suitability for inclusion. SkyIsFalling 22:19, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

SkyIsFalling,

Looking over the Smoky Hill High School article, I see no difference between Digital-Evolutions and the other extracurricular activities unless the sub-category title needs to be "3D Animation and Visualization" instead of Digital-Evolutions.

Should it be . . .

3D Animation and Visualization

Digital-Evolutions is an accelerated exploratory technology & design program and a Hewlett Packard showcase classroom. The program introduces students to graphic design, multimedia, programming, video production, and a heavy focus on 3D visualization & animation. In the fall of 2005, Digital-Evolutions hosted an international 3D animation event - 3December. In 2006, Digital-Evolutions created and sponsored a state-wide animation showcase – Get Rendered! In the spring of 2007, student teams took 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place at both the regional and the state level SkillsUSA animation contests.



Below are the other Extracurricular Activities and I do not see much of a difference. Can you assist me in improving it, so it does not get deleted again or direct me to someone who can help me out.

Thank you.


Extracurricular activities

Choir The choir program has had a lengthy tradition of excellence and is currently under the direction of Mike Grant and Jim Techau, assisted by accompanist Rob Lowe. The SHHS choirs have boasted 13 performances at the Colorado Music Educators Association convention since 1992, and is known in the area for a unique familial dynamic, rich and mature tone quality, and extremely varied and difficult performance repertoire.[citation needed]

Drama The drama program was mentioned in the Denver Post in May 2006 after the 30-year-old 'secret room' in the theater rafters was exposed by the student newspaper, The Express. [2]. Although it was the subject of rampant rumors concerning sex, drugs, and alcohol, the room only contained a few pieces of furniture and a signature book with the names of those who had visited it over the years.

Robotics In 2005, Smoky Hill formed the Smoky Hill Area Robotics Club (SHARC) under programming teacher John Champion. It has been a part of the FIRST robotics competitions since 2006, earned 2nd place in the Colorado School of Mines Robo Landminer Competition, and hosts monthly robotics competitions. Despite early financial hardships, the program has flourished due to several extremely dedicated adults from the community and Smoky, $6000 worth of grants from NASA to purchase the FIRST robot kit and a $5000 grant from Lowe's to purchase professional-grade tools for metal, plastic, and wood working.

Science Bowl The school's Science Bowl team has been nationally recognized under coach Mary Bartholomew for several years in the past. In 2007 the National Ocean Sciences Bowl team placed 5th in the nation, claiming victory even over the defending 1st place team from the previous year, Lincoln-Sudbury Regional High School. The team consisted of 5 members: Captain Leo Ovanesyan, Tyler Bodine-Smith, Matt Hamblin, Hannah Hamblin, and Choong Sung Park, under team coach Kenneth Hamner.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Steely 340 (talk • contribs)

  • Please see my above comment. I am not making any determination on the suitability of the other programs listed in that page. Also, changing a sections heading does not negate the fact that it contains advertising/self-promotion.
    I would appreciate if in future you could sign your posts by placing ~~~~ at the end. SkyIsFalling 22:19, 12 June 2007 (UTC)


Hey Again, I have a few more questions.

“Short answer: blatant self promotion/advertising, see WP:SOAP and WP:SPAM.”

I am sorry, but I do not think it applies. Can you please clarify? I was not trying to promote myself or a project, advertise masquerading as articles, wide-scale external link spamming, or "Wikipedian-on-Wikipedian" spamming or, "canvassing". I was merely adding Digital-Evolutions, which is an extracurricular activity at Smoky Hill High School which is no different than the other activities.


“Creating overly abundant links and references to autobiographical articles is unacceptable.” I don’t think this applies either, unless linking back to the school’s website is overly abundant. Do all external links have to be added at the bottom?


One more last thing, why was it removed from the lists of clubs? I did not write it originally and on top of being a full school program, it is a club too.

Thanks Steely 340 00:53, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

  • The entirety of your contributions to date involve creating articles about, and editing articles to promote/linkspam Digital-Life. The agenda here is clear as day, and I'm not going to argue/engage you on the point any further. SkyIsFalling 06:00, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

SkyIsFalling,

I still think we are having a misunderstanding. About 3 days ago, I added a general description with linked references 3 sentences long under extracurricular activities section. Realizing there were more references that needed to be mentioned, I created an entire article about the program. This article mentioned Get Rendered – state-wide animation contest, which there was no reference to it on Wikipedia, I created an article about it. Being new to this, I received messages to re-write the 2 new articles. I did 3 times. Eventually, they were marked for deletion. I thought maybe it was not “notable” enough. This all happened in one evening and I did not peruse it any further. The next day, I noticed that any reference to the program on the Smoky Hill High School article was removed completely.

I feel that they were unfairly removed Steely 340 19:17, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Smoky Hill High School. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article or speedy-deleted it, you might want to participate in the deletion review.

[edit] Eartha Kitt mediation

I wanted to thank you for your involvement on the Eartha Kitt talk page concerning edits made by Framecut. I believe that they made them in good faith, but the information is not yet verifiable as you pointed out. Thank you again for your assistance in the matter. (Mind meal 22:04, 12 June 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Smoky Hill High School

Hi, I took a look at the club you removed there and it looks like a legit program from the school. I put the section back (after some cleanup). Did I miss something? -- lucasbfr talk 19:59, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

See the deletion log for Digital-Evolutions, Get Rendered!'s current AfD discussion, and Special:Contributions/Steely 340 for history. I agree the section probably deserves to be there if accompanied by a reliable source, which it wasn't. At the time it was among other things unverified, linkspammy and, as I was mostly concerned about at the time, part of a wider campaign of WP:SOAP. In retrospect, removing the entire section was possibly a tad too bold, tagging it for cleanup might have been a better move. SkyIsFalling Thursday, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
I agree the rest of his contributions are rubbish and deserve to be deleted :) (by the way are you sure that your signature isn't putting the current time, instead of the time of your post?). But well, some editors start badly and turn out good and this section is not worse than the rest of the high school articles (sorry it's almost 3 AM, not the best time to write a comment :)) -- lucasbfr talk 00:49, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
I wasn't really looking at it from the context of the other sections as I was chasing his contribs at the time. I'll should note that I'm not really much of a relativist when it comes to article (or section) quality - WP:V is WP:V, right? SkyIsFalling 1:07, Thursday, 14 June 2007
Yeah I double checked, your signature is putting the current time. you should subst the time part of the template (I'm not sure #time is substable though) -- lucasbfr talk 00:50, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for pointing that out, I've recently been caught out by the 255-char limit and recently changed it. #time is substable, as it turns out I was trying to subst a parent template which includes #time. SkyIsFalling 0:58, Thursday, 14 June 2007

[edit] please vote.

Can you vote on the Talk:Middle school for renaming it to junior high school? (MrsMacMan 17:16, 14 June 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Ford EL Falcon article help

I am responding to the message you left on my talk page. I will help you immensely with the Ford EL Falcon article due to the fact that I have finished my exams and I am on holidays.SenatorsTalk | Contribs 00:31, 15 June 2007 (UTC)