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[edit] Slang Debate

The three universities mentioned in the article haven't organized any college league yet like Ivy league of the United States. The term is just slang and Wiki is a encyclopedia! This article can give a false information to people except Korean living in South Korea.--Appletrees 00:29, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes, as you noted, there has never been any official organization, so called SKY, consisted of the three universities. However, it is also true that the term 'SKY' schools in Korea has been also inevitably accepted for more than many decades in Korean society tacitly. Surely, there are also other excellent Korean universities domestically top ranked in different specialized fields, but the term 'SKY schools' has been widely acknowledged implicatively in Korea, even children and foreigners residing in Korea know it. I think it is a little gone too far that the term is just nothing but a slang and completely absurd. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Patriotmissile (talk • contribs) 14:58, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

'SKY' is not a definitive word suitable for encyclopedia. Of course, you're right. 'SKY' is sometimes used to mention the three universities but sometimes not. E.g., some people in Korea recognize this word as three private universities like "Sogang, Korea and Yonsei university" or "Sungkyunkwan, Korea and Yonsei university." Therefore, please don't presume everyone thinks this to be "Seoul National, Korea and Yonsei university" as you think. This is just a slang not good for encyclopedia. If this is permitted here, in Wikipedia, every other slang used for grouping universities like "SeoPoKa(Seoul National, Postech, Kaist)", "SPHEKS(Sungkyunkwan, Postech, Hanyang, Ehwa, Kaist, Sogang Univ)" and others can be registered. Slang is just slang. Brincos 20:32, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

If you urge the term 'sky' is not appropriate for posting to Wikipedia, then the terms such as 'ivy league', and'tokyo 6' are also just nothing but a designation of one of those sports leagues for the US and Japanese universities, so must be removed or modified their contents from Wikipedia. As you can get information even on Wikipedia, many countries have such an undefinitive, but widely accepted concept for their domestic universities to the degree of social phenomena . I wonder if you also concern those information are nothing but slang. I'm also curious how you define the term slang, and what gives you justification to urge the term 'SKY' is a slang.

The main logical weak point you suggested is that the terms you tentatively made have never been accepted in Korean society, but I'd like to ask your conscience whether you really haven't heard the term 'SKY schools' in your life. As references support, the term 'SKY' has been even acknowledged by other countries. The main purpose for posting the term 'SKY' is just introduction of actual phenomenon that Korean society currently has, not a boasting of famousity of those three universities.

As I know, the key idea for Wikipedia is to share myriad information freely, surely with verification by users. In terms of the idea, I think the term 'SKY' deserves to be posted since it has been actually widely accepted at least in Korean society. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Goldenapex (talk • contribs) 21:22, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Hello. Please go to NCAA. 'ivy league' is one of leagues, so must be a definitive word which is more than slang. 'SKY' is just nothing more than somebody used to say and which is not definitive to everyone, either. so must be 'slang'. Brincos 23:30, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

It seems that Goldenapex, Patriotmissile, Antiskku is the same person. i.e., multiple logon user. Brincos 23:32, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

You are really sick and twisted person. How could you so sure that I am the same person you listed. You are really insane. And it seem that you don't even understand what Goldenapex mentioned. He stated that the term ivy league is one the university sports league, and you just repeated the word. Why don't you stop making vandalism on the contents in Korea University. Does it make your SungKyunKwan university protruded? Stop doing the sick acts! Otherwise I have no choice but to do the same acts to the post for Sungkyunkwan university in the exactly same way you have done. It seems that you are the person who frequently mess up the contents for Korean universities by using multiple identifications, doesn't it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Patriotmissile (talk • contribs) 23:59, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Do you even know the definition of NCAA? Why don't you go to the post for Ivy league, and see what they've commented for ivy leagues. Based on your logic, the term Ivy league should have only been introduced as its definition for university sports in the US. Do you really think that the term SKY schools has been accepted for itsy bitsy little minor groups in Korea? I'm just done with you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Patriotmissile (talk • contribs) 01:06, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Hey. NCAA is the official name. Ivy league is also official. How about SKY schools? Is it official? Absolutely not. Brincos 05:35, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Hey Brincos, you really don't get the point, even though I recapitulated several times. If ivy league is merely designating the sports league, how the heck the thread for ivy league shares much of its contents for academic superiority? According to your logic, the term ivy leagu is only official for sports league, so it is absurd to designate ivy league as a superior academic group. Why don't you modifiy the thread for ivy league? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Patriotmissile (talk • contribs) 06:38, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi, bro. I know your point. But, all I want to say is just 'Ivy league' is the official name which makes possible to be registered in an encyclopedia. I don't care about the content but it can be registered in Wikipedia because it is the official word. Expanding, modifying the meaning in the 'Ivy league' page is another problem. I do not care about it. However, 'SKY schools' is not an official name so it does not have any qualification for registration. That's what I meant. Brincos 06:45, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

If you only accept legitimate organizations, can you imagine how many threads should be removed from Wikipedia? As even the reference from foreign journal remarks the term SKY schools is indeed recognized national widely, at least. As I tell you it's not for boasting those schools, but it's just for introducing the social phenomenon which is also ubiquitious to other countries. You can search the similar groups from Austrailia, Japan, England, and other countries in Wikipedia. Those groups are also not approved legally, and they are abstractive concepts, but widely accepted. You should argue them too, if you really want to remove this page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Patriotmissile (talk • contribs) 07:04, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

First, 'official' is different from 'legal'. As far as I know, 'Ivy league' is the official name, so has the official logo and mutual agreements among the universities. In Australia, 'Group of Eight' looks such a case, as well. In fact, I have no good idea about the other countries' group so I will not argue them. (I believe someone having good knowledge on this will do it.) However, it is clear 'SKY schools' is not official. The three universities didn't make any action for making it to be official, which is different from such a 'Ivy league'. Brincos 07:20, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

You only exemplified the facts you'd like to use for your justification. How will you explain the threads like 'Tokyo's top ranked private universities' 'College rivalry ' in Wikipedia? Not only these, there are too many abstractive entitities introduced in Wikipedia. One common among them is they are actually widely accepted in societies. Do you think they are something officially approved, and have some kind of authentification for their grouping? Is there any restriction of uploading information in Wikipedia other than so-called officially approved?

I wonder what's the definition you are using to judge 'official'. As I told you many times, this thread is for introducing the social phenomenon actually widely acknowledged. In addition, you keep denying the fact that the term 'SKY schools' has been widely recognized for many decades. It's not the matter of official authentification the group has organized, but it has its meaning from share information which actually exists. Though, it has a little different meaning to ivy league, it doesn't make it slang or lie. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Patriotmissile (talk • contribs) 14:48, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Hey, dog. That's just your idea. Slang is just slang. Please make your own slangpedia as a website, if you'd really like to. And this page is just reserved for discussion of 'sky schools'. I have no idea why you mention loyalty something to Sungkyunkwan univ here. :-/ Brincos 21:43, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

What a attitude you have! Allright, I erased the lines you abhorred. However, it's hard to stand the trash talk 'dog' you just hurled at me. I think you misunderstood my intention. I didn't mention the lines with any hidden intention, but they just had thier literal meaning. OK, I will take your abuse this time, and I apolgize for it if you felt bad about it. By the way, you really have no ligic on this topic. Slang is slang? It feels like you are hehaving like children. Now, it is more clear that your intention to remove this thread is not beacuse of the source of the term, but because of your personal feeling. I still felt so bad about the attitude you showed me yesterday, and I was surpreised at the change of your attitude after I posted something truths you hated on your favorite thread. Anyway, I hope there's no more reason to talk with you anymore, but I will face you straightly anytime if I have to.

Oh, boy... You must have misunderstood 'dog' I used above. That's ebony slang which means 'dude'. It is similarly used like 'guy', 'bro' and stuff like that. (Please watch some African-American(ebony) movies if you can't believe it.) Many American use it and I also sometimes call my friend 'dog'. However you didn't know that. You know what I am saying? THIS IS SLANG. Slang is such a word only some people use. I just used that word, 'dog', because I am quite familiar with the slang which is quite friendly used among friends so I also involuntarily expected you knew that. But you didn't. It's my fault to have used it but seems to be instructive for this topic, 'sky schools'. You continuously insist 'sky schools' is widely accepted somthing but this is just SLANG, right? Some people use but some people don't. I don't know why you're trying to register this kinda word in encyclopedia. This kinda word is just enough for a slang dictionary. Brincos 02:29, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Well you can laugh at my ignorance on the slang U used, but I wonder how many English native speakers consider it as friendly remark, including designation as a friend. In addition, I have never heard people use English as thier mothertongue call that way. I bet that if I call someone a dog, I should be in deep trouble in most cases. It feels like you are considering that you have succeeded in letting me experience what you keep urging, but unfortunately, nothing gives any justification on your comparison between two word, dog and SKY schools. Moreover, it is quite perplexing that you tried to justify your opinion by sparing longlines of explanation on the slang, dog. Do you really consider it is relevant to explain current topic? Well, I don't think so.

I am living in USA. Brincos 04:18, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
So what? Do you wanna know where I live too?
I meant you could believe the usage of the word I had mentioned because I am living in America, using such a word with people. Brincos 20:56, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
Well what if I say I live in US too? I think you may know already, cause you are good at hacking others' computer. I recomend you to use that word only with minor of your Afro-American friends. I am so happy that I haven't learn such a slang. I just love to learn orthodox English.Patriotmissile 22:03, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Every year, whenever annual university entrance exam is held, mass media, including almost all major TV news and newpaper deals with the exam as the headline, and they frequently usu the term 'SKY schools', and analyze the tendency of possibility of entrance on those SKY unversities. If it is really nothing but a slang and a minority opinion, how the heck could it be possibly used in the mass media aired nationally. I have several references from renowned mass media dealing with the SKY schools. You still can disregard the phenomenon with your opinion and your experiences, but unfortunately sometimes there's clear tendancy which can be explained and supported by many visual and printing media.

You might need to register such words in Wikipedia, 'doenjangnyoe(된장녀)', 'gaeddongnyoe(개똥녀)' and so on. They are also mentioned in the mass media. Brincos 04:18, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
What's the point? Based on your logic, on mass media, they frequently mention about ivy league, too. So can I say ivy league is nothing but a slang? Please get some logic.
School does not teach a student who does not try to learn. Why don't you think? Brincos 20:56, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
Is this some kind of metaphoric queston and answer in Buddhism? Whenever you suffer from your lack of logic, you just do a personal attack. That's not good at all.

Another thing I'd like to ask to you is you still haven't answered about my question on free circulation of those many abstractive terms, including 'Tokyo's top ranked private universities' and 'College rivalry' in Wikipedia. Please remember that your key assertion here is inappropriateness of the term SKY schools in Wikipedia, which is obviously similar concept to those many postings firmly existed in Wikipedia. So, won't you mind if I call you a dog from now on?Patriotmissile 03:51, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

I strongly recommend to read my answers above more carefully. I had surely mentioned I had no good idea about the countries' case you mentioned. You can talk such kinda issue in the corresponding pages if you'd like to. Moreover, I'd like to say Wikipedia is growing now. If such words is already registered and inappropriate for this encyclopedia, I believe somebody having good knowledge will try to eliminate those. This is a page for 'sky schools'. Please focus. Brincos 04:18, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
It looks that you have such a talent to make use of anything you only are fond of, and to ignore something you abhor with no logical sense. First thing, I'd like to indicate to you is that you are the one who really likes to quote the term 'ivy league', which is one of the posting in Wikipedia, and based on it, you keep trying to justify your opinion. Consequently, I quoted other postings definitely exist in Wikipedia. So, now can I say to you that let's only focus on SKY school, and cut the crap about ivy league stuff, since 'I had no good idea about the countries', which is the sentence exactly you used on right above paragraph. Whenever I reply to you with long lines, I strongly can feel that you only reply me back the lines you only can refute regardless of logical bases, and ignore others so easily, plausibly on purpose.
Yeah Wikipedia is growing now, and and the pivotal merit of Wikipedia is its myriad numbers of contents uploaded by users and its self-purifiable function also by users. At least, so far, in this thread, I think I have provided enough logical bases for ustification of the term 'SKY schools'. May be you also consider that you have defended your opinion well. That's a something judged by many Wikipedia users like what many other postings, so I am happy to see what comes next.
Another thing you haven't answered me yet is the source of stipulated provision of Wikipedia describing the injustice of existence of the term like SKY scools.
By the way, I'd like to recommend you to read the definition of slang well described in 'Wikipedia' as following URL; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slang
In addition, from now on, please just concentrate on SKY schools, not whatever ivy league stuffs something I don't know much. Patriotmissile 16:06, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
I like discussion, but think that I need to stop because I found Goldenapex, Patriotmissile, Antiskku had used computer in the same area so I am very suspicious of your multiple log-on. (This is not that hard for me. I am a computer scientist.) Of course, I don't say that you, Goldenapex and Antiskku is the same person. But this is quite interesting they had logged on Wikipedia almost at the same time, especially, Goldenapex left comment to support your opinion just once after the user's very first log-on and Antiskku also made unreasonable edit on Sungkyunkwan univ page after the user's first log-on. If you're using multiple log-on to support your opinion or to do something childish, this is a conceivable reason which is able to ban you from Wikipedia. This is not good. Brincos 20:56, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Well suddenly, you are starting the subject totally nothing to do with this topic? Wasn't it you who said please focus on only the topic here? It seems that you did a hacking no matter you claimed that it is not for threating. You may know that it is a very serious crime, and just because those users are from similar areas and similar times, you can't conclude those are the same users, right? I think hacking is not just a matter of Wikipedia, and it is violoation of US federal laws. U said you are in US, right? Hmm I should think about what I have to do.

I think you are at the corner now, and that's the reason why you suddenly raise your 'conspircy theory' here. Why don't you focus on the original topic, SKY schools, exactly what you just mentioned several lines above?

Anyway it seems that the chancellor of Sungkyunkwan university also knows well about the term 'SKY schools' according to the reference uploaded. And do you also wanna shake off SKY schools lke your chancellor? Then I can understand your series of actions in Wikipedia. Everytime I see your posts, I can't stop thinking about your contradiction and hypocrisy.Patriotmissile 21:41, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

:I think operators of Wikipedia surely know your area of accession. I think it is really serious crime to do hacking others' computer, and you just committed it using your specialty of computer. What do you expect me to do?Patriotmissile 22:07, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm.. Interesting. You really seem to be a multiple log-on user for foul play. See what you said, "just because those users are from similar areas and similar times, you can't conclude those are the same users, right?" You admitted Goldenapex, Patriotmissile, Antiskku were in the same region. In fact, the way I used was not such a computer hacking. People call it "psychology". :-) Brincos 01:49, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Hahaha, are you just blind or some memento? You are the on who described the sentence as follows: " like discussion, but think that I need to stop because I found Goldenapex, Patriotmissile, Antiskku had used computer in the same area so I am very suspicious of your multiple log-on. (This is not that hard for me. I am a computer scientist.) Of course, I don't say that you, Goldenapex and Antiskku is the same person. "
And now are you asing me that it is kind of acceptance of your fantasy? I knew you're not logical and reasonable person while I have debated with you for last couple of days. What you have done and what kind of person you are can be easily traced by tracking your previous records in Wikipedia. I still remember your dramastic attitude change after you tasted a little harshness of facts to your university. At least not like you, who kept teasing others regardless of multiple asking, I just ignored your deletion of those facts from the thread of your university.
You know what? I captured your words above, referring your cofession about your plausible commitment of hacking others' computer. I was think about forgiveness, but now I'm changing my mind. It seems that you're in the somewhere US, and posibly grad student or worker. You said you're a computer scientist, so you may know well about the following effects to one's life over the crimes, such as do hacking in US. I think you'd better start worrying about it, seriously.
By the way, it seems that you're in self-destruction now. You have never had any olgic on this thread, and it seems that you even lost your will to discuss about the term SKY school.Patriotmissile 02:15, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
Can't you really understand why I mentioned "psychology"? Why do I have to explain one by one? Hmmm...boy... OK. Patience is a virtue. Let me spend my time to instruct you for your understanding. From the outset, such a technique has not existed. i.e, there is no such a technique to find out where Wiki-users are using computers after log-on. (Wikipedia administrators might have.) However, I was very suspicious of your multiple log-on so I put a bait on you to find out if you were a real multiple log-on user. And you admitted Goldenapex, Patriotmissile, Antiskku were in the same region. You know what I am saying? "You were caught" like a fish in Korean slang. You admitted you were a multiple log-on user for foul play. Hacking? Are you a fiction writer? :-) OK. Please let Wikipedia administrators know about this. They may investigate a case in which a special technique does not exist at the outset to find out multiple log-on users like you. Brincos 03:14, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

I think in overall, you are lack of ability to judge. Now you are changing your words again, as U usually do. You clearly stated that ' I need to stop because I found Goldenapex, Patriotmissile, Antiskku had used computer in the same area so I am very suspicious of your multiple log-on. (This is not that hard for me. I am a computer scientist.) '. What I mean is regardless of your current claim, you cleraly stated that you commited an illegal detection of IP address by using your computer skill, which is against US federal law. Now, you called it as some kind of fishing??

I have never mentioned IP address something. Please read my comment more carefully. I just mentioned 'the same area' to put out a feeler. Please try to say correct. Please do not create any word or statement which was not mentioned as if I did. Please do not say "you cleraly stated that" for something I have not even made. Brincos 17:25, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
You know what? Like you said, that's the matter what can be assessed by the third party, not you. Even elementary school student can interpret your words so clearly. You just said you fond the area of accession of the users who logged on Wikipedia by exerting your fancy comter skill, and now you are claiming that you didn't do anything wrong, and you just happened to know the area without knowing IP address. Wow, that's so strange, isn' it? See what the third party's judgement.Patriotmissile 02:55, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

In addition, you are really lack of intellectual skill to interpret other people's saying. You keep trying to entrap me, and you just said I admitted your so-called fishing, right? hahahaha are you just insane or intellectually distored? As you quoted above, ' just because those users are from similar areas and similar times, you can't conclude those are the same users, right?" ---> that's the mention I said, and also the basis you are urging that I admitted you so-called fishing.

Ok I will explain word-by-word for you for easier explanation. First, as I mentioned on the first paragraph, you urged that I am a multple log-on user since you clearly stated that you found the IP address for three users were the same, and the time of accession for those users were similar, right? Tell me if there's any fallacy in my logic. So, anyone who read your words can consider that the IP address and accession time for those users are the evidence you exhibited as for your conspiracy on me, right? Tell me if I am wrong.

Once again, please do not say "you cleraly stated that" for something I have not even made. I have never mentioned IP something. For now, interestingly, you're digging your own grave through mentioning 'IP address'. At the very beginning, I just guessed possibly you could have used several computers to pretend someone else so I just mentioned 'the same area' to throw out a feeler. However, you are under an illusion that I found the same IP address of Goldenapex, Patriotmissile, Antiskku so you mention that "you clearly stated that you found the IP address for three users were the same." Do you know what you did? Oh.. boy. You confessed Goldenapex, Patriotmissile, Antiskku used the same IP address. In other words, you confessed you were a multiple log-on user for foul play. Brincos 17:25, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
Are you kidding me? You are seriously disregarding other users' intellectual levels. You clearly stated that you found the three user you mentioned were logged in the same area by using your computer skill, right? How the hell you could possibly find that kind of information? Are you some kind of a clairvoyant? Nevertherless of your poor excuses, there are clear evidences coming out from your mouth.Patriotmissile 00:59, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Now I tell you the reason why I mentioned the sentence, " just because those users are from similar areas and similar times, you can't conclude those are the same users, right?". As you see, your so-called evidence has critical weak point to be accepted as actual evidence.

Since there's lot of computer open to the public, so many people can use the same computer, and accession time can also be explained with the same sense. You see, that's why I mentioned the sentence to clarify your logical fallcy on your so-called evdence. Do you get it now? It's absolutely nothing to do with admitting your funny and weird fantasy! It seems that you just consider any thing is true which only you want it to true.

What a long excuse!!
Let me show you a part of your traces in Wikipedia
User ID Time Date Page
Goldenapex 21:22 10 September 2007 Talk:SKY (schools)
Patriotmissile 21:30 10 September 2007 User talk:Brincos
Patriotmissile 21:32 10 September 2007 Korea university
Patriotmissile 21:34 10 September 2007 Korea university
Patriotmissile 21:41 10 September 2007 Korea university
Patriotmissile 21:59 10 September 2007 Talk:Sungkyunkwan University‎
Patriotmissile 23:03 10 September 2007 Korea university
Antiskku 23:04 10 September 2007 Sungkyunkwan university
Patriotmissile 23:43 10 September 2007 Korea University‎
Patriotmissile 23:50 10 September 2007 User talk:Brincos
Patriotmissile 23:59 10 September 2007 Talk:SKY (schools)
This is very interesting, isn't it? You used the same computer only 8 minutes later than when Goldenapex used it. Furthermore, Antiskku used the computer only 1 minutes later than your use of it. Maybe you saw the persons, huh? What's more, Goldenapex supports your opinion in this topic. Antiskku did something childish in Sungkyunkwan university page. Oh... man. Brincos 17:25, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Now let's get back to your problems. Regardless of your current claim so-called fishing, you clearly noted by yourself that you did something illegal. As mentioned, I captured the screen you just said, so please don't even think about changing the words.

In addition you are the one who makes the problem bigger and bigger, so please don't blame me for it. After you lost you track in this thread for discussing the term 'SKY schools', you suddenly changed your attitude, as usual, and keep trying to entrap me, which is directly against what you just said, 'please focus current topic'. You are just funny person. Yes, like you've said, let's judge by operators of Wikipedia first.Patriotmissile 14:17, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

The reason you insist that I did something like hacking for you is my guess was correct. I squared my guess with the fact you were a real multiple log-on user for foul play. (Of course, I don't know such a high technique like hacking) Please please please let Wikipedia administrator know this if you really believe it. I lost nothing. Now I have the circumstantial evidence that you play foul as a multiple log-on so I can claim this to Wikipedia. If you did not multiple log-on, nothing will happen to you. But if you did this kinda cunning act to support your opinion, your ID can be eliminated and you can be banned from Wikipedia. If you still insist your innocence, is it OK for me to claim this to Wikipedia? Brincos 17:25, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Hahaha is this just all you got? You are just saying the same words repeatedly, like freakin little children. Do you even have a brain? I feel like I am talking with 5-year-old children. I told you that the similar access time point used for your reasoning of your fantasy is nothing but just list of access time, since it can't prove anything. Every moment thousands of users are accessing Wikipedia from whole world, got it? And why didn't you hand in another so-called your evidence on your fantasy? I mean your finding of the same IP address of those users. Why? Do you think does it make leave another evidence of your crime? hahaha, you are such a mean and distorted person.

And you are such a sly guy. You keep slight chage your expression indicating the crime you committed. I told you three or four times to you now that, you are the one who confess your crime, and yourself can see the lines you confessed several lines above in this thread.

One more thing, after I posted my first reply on this thread, you suddenly began to change contents in KU thread. So I asked you several times not to do that, but you didn't even hear me and urged that you posted since they are facts, right? So, I posted the reference showing the SCI rank of Sungkyunkwan university, posted in SKKU thread, is controversial, and you erased my reference right away, and I didn't post it again, unlike you have done. Anyway I found that you still keep the lines referring wrong SCI rank for SSKU. What's the reason? Are you still insisting you are the person who welcome any truths? What an irony! In addtion, you removed the rank of percentage of regular employment I posted rightaway. Moreover, there are several lines posted by SKKU students in the KU thread, which still remain. By the way, you changed your attitude rightafter I posted those two facts in SKKU thread, which you obviously don't like, right?

I addressed above paragraph, because it will help other users tell what kind of person you are. In brief, you are a sick and disgusting person. Now I think there's no reason I put up with you anymore. I have tolerated with you since you said you're student or emplyee working in US, so I thought it's meaningless to make you punished. But I was dead wrong.

By the way, never forget the confession you just made for your crime against the US federal law. You can be kicked out for US for sure. . You know, I don't even have to be here in Wikipedia, but it seems that you really don't like be kicked out from US. Hmmm let's see.Patriotmissile 19:26, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

I am not interested in your long abuse and excuse. Answer. Do you want me to claim this to Wikipedia or not? Brincos 22:25, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
Look who's talking. Why do you even ask to me? I don't mind of you are eager for digging your own grave. I will also claim what you have done with empasis on your plausible crime. I am so curious what next will be.Patriotmissile 23:01, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
OK. Likewise. Brincos 00:42, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
So is this you answer on my question on your box? If so, let me know.Patriotmissile 00:59, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
Now you look like to want a secret talk with me. Anyway, I left my answer in my talk box. Please go there and read my answer. Brincos 02:23, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
You are so hilarious. There's no exception for you to judge anything by your own weird standard. What makes you think I talk with you privately. If I would tell you privately, I wouldn't leave a trace here by mentioning your box. Now I vividly can tell your idea, so go ahead. I wouldn't mind. I will just do my part.Patriotmissile 02:48, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
Bye~ multiple log-on user for a cunning aim. Brincos 03:01, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
Say hello to your relatives in Korea, you will see them soon. I just sent the indicment on your crime. People like you should be treated as they deserve. Nighty night!Patriotmissile 03:29, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
Good luck to you, too. Brincos 03:44, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
You're more than welcome. Wish you have Bon Voyage~.Patriotmissile 03:47, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
Likewise~ Brincos 03:49, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
Well I just can't tell which is worse, leaving Wikipedia or US? But I will be here, and you can access Wikipedia even in Korea. Don't worry!Patriotmissile 03:51, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
Hmmmm... noisy. Brincos 03:55, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
Well this is today's my last comment since I am a busy person. I can see your uneasy feelings, but you know, this is what you created and wanted, so please don't blame me. Then bye for good~.Patriotmissile 04:00, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
Bye~ you, a noisy guy. Brincos 04:04, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
Hahaha Brincos, you malicious hacker (cracker ?), it is obvious that you excreted everywhere, but I am still here haha. And it seems that you don't have many days left in here and plausibly your current residence, so enjoy!

I'm gonna have a short trip, and will come back about a week later, and I hope I enjoy the news of your deportation from Wikipedia, and plausibly from US. You can play around by doing chit-chattering with your 5-year-old level intellectual ability like you've shown here and other threads.

As you said, the third party is coming for you, enjoy!Patriotmissile 14:35, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Once again, you shows a really good talent for fiction writing. Anyway, if you'd still like to insist your innocence, please go to [1] and testify against that. I really wonder why you don't do that while threatening me around the about. But please write correct because Wikipedia administrators really can verify your IP address. And let me know when the third party you mentioned will come so that I can welcome them cordially. During your trip, I recommend to think about your attitude. I really feel pity for you. Why do you make this a big trouble due to your self-respect? You are a blind chauvinist. OK. You can be a good patriot but can be dangerous to all of us including you if you got blind. Please don't ruin your life. Please don't ruin your Korea university's reputation any more. Please be a good student in your Korea university. I can stop the process if you really admit your fault. Please chew over. I hope you have a good trip. Brincos 20:58, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I think it's not slang

[2] There are many results when you search SKY&Seoul National University in the NEWS section of NAVER.COM which is most famous among Korean Search Engines. I don't know exaclty the definition of SLANG but I don't think the press in South Korea use inappropriate term like slangs in their formal articles. I think it's not a slang but the coined word which reflects social phenomenon in South Korea where university is the key to success. --2SteamClocks 04:38, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Wow - clearly a hot topic. Let's chill a bit. There is a lot invested in university reputations. As a non-Korean, I came upon this article with interest (linked from Seoul National University). Perhaps systematic bibliometry (media citations) can add substance to this article. All 'groupings' are exclusive almost by definition. Also, SKY is a catchy acronym. One day the S-K-Y marketers may recognize the potential of this acronym and make it more official. Until then, we are in the condition where the poor fight the most viciously over scraps; recent Shanghai Jiao Tong Academic Ranking of World Universities [3] have SNU as Korea's best university, but outside the top 150 universities worldwide. KenQ4U 23:28, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes, my my some people have been uncivil. Making 3rd grader threats about "authorities" and such. All very amusing and sad. Personally, while the SKY term is clearly slang to me, that doesn't in and of itself mean it should not be included. I can see why someone- especially someone not native to ROK- would find such information useful. I tend to side with keeping something like that, rather than deleting. Additionally creating a "college league" or other official designation should not be the benchmark for entry into a body of knowledge.

That said, there's some problems with the article. One, if something is "too vague" to be verified, it doesn't belong here. I am deleting the reference to "Though both exclusive private universities are serious about their rivalries, they acknowledge their mutual interests as leading universities in their respective nations and in the greater community of East Asia."

If someone can cite a good source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:V) that clearly verifies this statement, please do so. Epthorn 07:12, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Funny how, suddenly new person with the exactly same oipnion with Brincos just 100% coincidently has emerged since Brincos submerged. Anyway, Epthron, you keep stress that you're not a Korean to give any justification and objectivity on your words, but that's not even close. The unambiguity of the term 'SKY schools' is well established in the references I added on the main thread. Epthorn, why don't you clearly suggest objective evidences supporting your claim, the term SKY is too vague. Verify your claims with references and objective evidences, not with your subjective and improvisatory feelings.Patriotmissile 17:19, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

In addition, I happened to have interesting articles regarding Sungkyunkwan University. Epthorn, what do you think about these articles? I think it is worth to be posted on the SKKU thread in wikipedia, and I will. People have a right to know. SCI publication number falsification by SKKU [4], and ill reputation of defaming other Korean universities by Sungkyunkwan university 'hooligans' [5].Patriotmissile 19:39, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

PatriotMissile: I will repeat what I said above more clearly, as I believe you misunderstood me- I think that the SKY article should remain on wikipedia. There may be some editing that should be done to it but I believe it is, overall, useful to have the term in the encyclopedia. Please read more carefully in the future so as not to mistake my views for someone else. Epthorn 21:18, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

The link to "http://www.gay-o.ac.jp/news/050301_2e.html" (10) is broken and returns no result. I'll check back tomorrow to see if it is just a transitory problem. Epthorn 19:37, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and the sentence I complained about being "too vague" was as follows: ""Though both exclusive private universities are serious about their rivalries, they acknowledge their mutual interests as leading universities in their respective nations and in the greater community of East Asia." And when someone asked for a citation, someone said it was too vague to be cited- I was not the one who said that. I just repeated it. I do agree that it is a meaningless statement that does not belong in an encyclopedia unless sourced, however. Epthorn 19:40, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Epthorn, since I don't want to waste my time anymore, so I'm just leaving the reference that may clarify your unambiguity on the above sentence you raised a question [6]. When I have time, I will search appropriate references you wish to be added for underpinning the main thread for SKY schools.Patriotmissile 03:45, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

You said you're an US expatriate and became Korean citizen, so I have no doubt that you can read Korean.Patriotmissile 03:46, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, I am not going to read Korean. If I trusted my ability to read Korean I would be on Korea Wikipedia. This is English Wikipedia. Please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:RSUE .Epthorn 08:01, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
Epthorn, the the third party whom you invited clearly stated that references with foreign languages are acceptable, in case absence of their English-translated substitutes, in English Wikipedia. From now on, I hope I won't see your continuous provision of the hyperlink above for justification of your claim on invalidity of foreign references. If there's any problems on it, please contact the third party you've brought into the case you made.Patriotmissile 03:32, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Ok, this discussion page is a mess. I can't see were there's a problem about the existence of this article, given that:
- there are articles about Korean universities
- a term has been coined for referring to Seoul, Korea and Yonsei universities
- this term is commonly used [1]
- nobody said SKY schools can be compared to the Ivy League in that they organise sports tournaments, the comparison is only ACADEMIC.
-- Chibalnom (talk) 20:02, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Pervasive

The use of the SKY acronym is pervasive in Korea. It is regularly used in both television and print media to refer to Seoul, Korea and Yonsei. The use of the SKY acronym to refer to any other group of universities (eg. Sogang, Korea, Yonsei) is far from pervasive and is in almost all cases avoided for obvious reasons. You will only find SKY in reference to the three private institutions in a discussion focused solely on issues related to private universities in Korea - it does persist into mainstream media or speech.

The key difference between the SKY acronym and other university group names (eg SeoPoKa) is this: the name SKY itself goes beyond the Korean tradition of abbreviation and seeks to create a new word and identity, which has been embraced by Korean society. Abbreviation such as that which occurs in refering to SeoPoKa, is common and far from noteworthy (and anyway those universities lack the prestige, history and, arguably, importance of Seoul, Korea and Yonsei). Take another example - KoYeonJeon (Korea-Yonsei games). In these cases the abbreviations can be written in hanja (characters), whereas SKY cannot. "SKY" evokes emotions (prestige, competition, history) whereas "SeoPoKa" cannot. It's like comparing saying N.Y. and "the Big Apple" - both refer to New York, but only the second evokes real images and emotions.

SKY may not have a formal league, but it's importance in Korea and pervasive usage in society and media should qualify it for Wikipedia. EVEN IF THIS WERE NOT THE CASE, I find it very strange that NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON has suggested this article for deletion, and instead resorted to bickering. Hisammylightfoot (talk) 16:01, 27 November 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Comparisons section necessary?

I notice that the sectoin here on 'comparisons' is littered with citation requests, and peacock terms WP:PEACOCK. Is this section really necessary to the article? I'm not sure how important it is for readers to know that there are also 3 Japanese schools in a similar formation. This is, after all, an article on 3 Korean universities. Epthorn 15:32, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

In refering to Asian universities, many parallels are drawn between the top three schools of Korea and Japan (institutional quality, history of rivarly, one public/two private etc) so it is worthwhile noting that link here.
From which sources? In terms of institutional quality, there's a difference between the South Korean and Japanese universities from several rankings. However, the far more important issue is that this article is meant to inform what SKY schools are in South Korea. Let the readers read up on these universities individually and decide for themselves. --BirdKr (talk) 03:43, 20 February 2008 (UTC)