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[edit] Lineup

Can anyone post more information on the 'Skrewdriver' line up they had during the White Noise era. Drummers, Guitarist etc.

[edit] Jewdriver

Any more information on "Jewdriver"? Their website looks very weird... Is this a "parody" or simply anti-semitic idiocy??? Captain-c 08:01, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)


I think these guys are Jewish and it is a parody. [1] --griesgram 01:09, 29 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I believe Jewdriver should at least be mentioned. They are a real parody band from Berkeley California. They play Gilman Street on a semi-regular basis. The founding members are indeed jewish. I've seen them live and own their cd.



White Noise was a record label run by the National Front, not Skrewdriver.

"With nowhere left to play and no media publicity, Skrewdriver turned to the only friends they had left, the National Front. Together with Young National Front organiser, Joe Pearce, Ian Stuart reactivated Rock Against Communism and began to organise gigs all over London...And to beat the music business at its own game, the NF launched White Noise Records and released Skrewdriver's White Power single." - Spirit of '69, George Marshall, S.T. Publishing, Scotland, 1994. p. 137.

--Hremmnoth 05:20, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Richardcavell 10:17, 22 August 2005 (UTC) - Someone should find out the correct spelling of Ian Stewart/Stuart's name and use it consistently.

Perhaps you could be that 'someone'??? Take responsibility! quercus robur 17:28, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

It's 'Stuart'. Also, White Noise Records did not support C18. The timeline is off. C18 started in the early to mid 90s, well after White Noise was disbanded. As above re: running of White Noise, NF is correct. Skrewdriver left to form Blood & Honour as the bands saw none of the finances that White Noise attracted. PeteWilliams 06:26, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Jewdriver and quote

The quote is not consistent with most Skrewdriver history nor the blurb one reads of the origins from Skrewdriver's origins on their tribute and fan pages. Also the Jew Driver is not verifiable enough to post on this site - I find it to be blatant self-promotion of an unverifiable group which holds no importance or interest to the preoccupation of Skrewdriver as a whole - therefore I feel it should be removed. Piecraft 13:42, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] "Red Scum"

The use of these phrases is a biased opinion. Plus the entire article is a cynical piece of propaganda for far right wing apologists.

Completely and unashamedly biased. (see 'Red Scum')

He's being called a "martyr" now for dying in a road accident! Why is this being allowed?

[edit] Rewrite

Besides changing all of the gigantic upper case headings, this article needs a complete rewrite to make it an encyclopedia article. User:Zoe|(talk) 04:09, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Copyright Violation?

This article appears to be a copy of the article SKREWDRIVER:THE FIRST TEN YEARS THE WAY IT'S GOT TO BE! by Joe Pearce, which originally appeared on the Plunder and Pillage eZine and is reprinted on the Skrewdriver88 Web site at the URL http://www.skrewdriver88.com/first10years/ . Has the copyright been released? If not, does the article need to be deleted?

[edit] Dude, just make the changes

I riupped out a lot of crap from this chunk of propaganda pretending to be informative. The only thing left are the introductory paragraphs which provide enough material at this time.

[edit] The book was never copyrighted

The book was never copyrighted. And I'm the one who has been editing this page. And to the guy who said that he ripped out a bunch of stuff that "pretends" to be informative, IF you are the one who posted "And blood and Honour began to fade after Ians Death" that in itself is propaganda pretending to be informative, if not then I'll have to see what you posted/deleted. And I say that becuase Blood & Honour is as big as it's ever been right now, and if it actually did fade immediatly after his death, then it's biased not imply that they are back on the rise, kind of like if I break up with my girlfriend and get back with her... but I decide to try and get with another girl if I told her I broke up with my girlfriend would that be lying? And if you want to take out certain parts that sway away from being simply informative such as something like "hail Ian Stuart" whatever, well fine. I have barely edited it anyway, so at least I wouldn't have to get around to doing it later. I also believe that the "red scum" thing was from a qoute, which I edited before anyways, but put it back on after I realized it was really just from a qoute. And why does the external links I posted on where to purchase Skrewdriver related merchandise (considering it's INTERNATIONALY BANNED from all public stores unless it somehow slips into a used section unnoticed, or it's from "the early years") keeps getting deleted, isn't that called "vandalism" on here? Goddamn net-totalitarian retards you can't find anything else better to do or what? Oh yeah, and about the NF running White Noise, if it was written in the spirit of 69, I wouldn't doubt they considered NF and Ian Stuart the same thing, kind of like the media was labeling Skrewdriver a NF band when Ian never even knew what the NF was, just because they were becoming more nationalist or whatever, which actually got Ian curious about what it was and that's how he became part of the NF anyways. But it could have been ran by NF who knows, I'm just saying when people talk about White Power related stuff and people or whatever, things tend to get bundled up, and everything represents eachother in a sense.

-DissentPatriot


One thing though, why does this page continue witht the myth that the 'original' Skrewdriver were not a racist band? Maybe they had no openly racist lyrics but as confirmed by the links at the foot of the page Ian and the drummer were both members of the NF before the band split and the original band members had no problem with the 'New Skrewdriver' not to mention that the former band members openly say that Ian was a racist long before he became 'open' about it.

Too much 'revisionist history' on here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.196.29.234 (talk) 15:51, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

First off, I'm ignoring any beliefs he held, as well as any copyright desputes- for now.

I've looked over the information you've posted. And frankly, it's not neutra enough. Currently, the article comes off as being apologetic and defensive. It needs to be neutralized.

Secondly, where to purchase music: no other bands have commercial links. Why should they? sure, there are links to band or even label web sites, but a catagory entitled "Where can I find Skrewdriver and related bands" is inappropriate. Stick to the neutral history of the band and related information. If you want to link to their web pages or record labels, that's fine. But beyond that, no.

Now, per the copyright issue: You say that it's not copyrighted. How is anyone to know that? Can you provide a web site or any kind of proof that the author or publishers have given written consent to have their works freely distributed?

-James


- James

Skrewdriver is not banned in any way shape or form here in the U.S.A., just ask your record store to order the merchandise. If they won't get it for you then that is an issue with that particular store and you should shop elsewhere. Cheers. 24.185.105.199 16:26, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Where to Begin?!

I note this entire article is a first-person account with chapters - it'll take an age to get through all this to clean up and Wikify.

Any chance people could create a "task-list" so each element can be tackled in easy stages?

doktorb 10:25, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Updated - I've given a couple of paragraphs my best shot, but I can see this is going to take a lot of effort. Anyone else working on this? doktorb 22:08, 5 December 2005 (UTC)


What is it you guys are trying to do exactly? Since I posted I might as well help... but it matters what you're trying to "clean-up".

-DissentPatriot

Hey - the problem with this article is it breaks almost all the Wiki rules - it's massively POV, it does not read like a standard enclyopedic article; it contains too many disputed elements and does not, in general, adhere to the standards of Wiki. So, we need to significantly alter the artle.

Most music band articles have a "house style" - namely who the band are, how they formed, album releases and tours. It does not need the obviously copyrighted material copy and pasted here.

If you can help - please do!! doktorb 08:10, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

There's a *lot* of personal commentary and personal opinion that litters the article. It should be deleted. - r

[edit] Uh where is it?

Where did this article go? Was there even an AfD? It's kind of strange that this article suddenly disappeared without notice. Piecraft 01:39, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Ron Hartley

I've altered "Ronnie Hartley" to "Ron Hartley"; I knew Ron around this time and he was certainly not known as "Ronnie."

[edit] Nazi-Nationalist

It is my contention that Skrewdriver is not a NAZI (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, commonly called the NSDAP or Nazi Party)) band but a white nationalist band. Not being from Germany and not being old enough to have joined the NSDAP while it still existed means that they are by definition not a NAZI band. They are a Blood and Honor band, a racist band, a fascist band, a nationalist band, but not a NSDAP band. Fascism and national-socialism are similar but not the same thing. Some user said they are typically known as a NAZI band, the Koala is typically known as a bear but that doesn't make it one. Ian did sympathize with the NSDAP cause but he was never a member of the party. National Front yes, NSDAP no. I just went through 18 albums and could only find 5 songs out of 316 that had anything to do with NAZIs or Germany or WWII. One of the songs is Tomorrow Belongs To Me, a song from Cabaret, that Gary Oldman sang on Broadway. So Nationalist-Skinhead it is.L0b0t 13:49, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

  • First, neo-Nazism doesn't require any physical connection with, or direct mentions of, 1940s Germany. It is an ideology all on its own. Second, Ian Stuart appears to disagree with your assesment of the band's ideology. He has been quoted as saying: "I would describe myself as a British National Socialist, not a German one, and so don't think I'm at odds with British patriots."[2]. Ian Stuart pretty much was Skrewdriver, so his beliefs were basicly the official ideology of the band. Spylab 14:40, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Blind reverts

Mitsos, if you have some kind of problem with my edits, discuss and edit. Don't just revert as now one has to go back and fix a lot of typos. L0b0t 11:01, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fansites

L0b0t, the websites that you deleted were not simply fansites. They contain information about the band, in case someone wants to know more about Skrewdriver. This is an encyclopedia, and we are supposed to give information right? You also said that US had a WP scene before Ian Stuart was born. Have you got sources for that? The Ku Klux Klan compositions are not White Power music. Mitsos 16:06, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Johnny Rebel, Otis and the 3 bigots. Landser even covers a Johnny Rebel song Afrika Lied is a German adaptation of Ship Those Niggers Back. Landser even incorporates the chorus of Who Likes a Nigger (another Rebel song) into the ending of Afrika Lied. I'mnot saying Skrewdriver was not the driving force behind the modern hardcore, punky, oi type of WP music, but they were not the first WP band, they missed that by about 30 years. Cheers. L0b0t 22:44, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Info Box

I added the coding for one of the standard bands' infoboxes in the top right corner (see Billy Talent, for example) The coding is still there, and when you click 'preview page' it comes up, but when it has been saved, it automatically reverts back to the current box, which doesn't seem to be one which most band pages have?

EDIT: Problem Solved. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 213.40.3.65 (talk) 15:07, 12 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] External Links

I've removed 2 links from the EL section. The Skrewdriver.net link no longer points to the online version of the Ian biography as claimed but rather to a website selling Combat 18 albums. The Blood and Honor website is already wikilinked in the see also section and if we wikilink in see also we do not need a redundant link in EL. Cheers. 24.185.105.199 16:23, 21 March 2007 (UTC)