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Skhug sure looks the same as Zhug

They are the same. Different ways of transliterating the same thing. The two pages should be merged.

So...what would you say is the better transliteration? DonIncognito 01:04, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't think they are the same, there are compaies that make and sell both Schug and Zhuk זחוק , I cant firgure out what the exact difference is but it doesn't make sense that they would sell the same product with 2 differet spellings.. this should be merged with the Schug article that I just created.. can some one explain to me why kh is used for a ח on wikipedia ? --yisraeldov 15:15, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

I have merged everything in this article, as I believe it conforms to the naming convension the best. Jon513 15:54, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Did you not see my comments ? Zchuk is not the same as Schug... also can u explain why 'KH' rather than 'CH' ? (This message was left by User:Yisraeldov)

The reason I used kh instead of ch is because in American English, ch is most frequently used for a 'ץ sound, rather than a ח sound. Therefore, for someone who is not familiar with the proper transliteration of Hebrew letters, this transliteration would best approximate the pronunciation. I also think Zhug is the same as Skhug, but the transliteration is even more confusing, since the combination Zh is most frequently used in English for a sound that is best approximated by the French j (as in jour). DonIncognito 08:02, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

They are 2 different things for sure, similar but different. one is סחוג and one is זחוק there is (at least ) one company here that makes and sells both, next time I go to the store I will attmept to look at the ingreidents, some people also thing that Charisa is the same thing when it isn't. Also people say that Matbucha and Turkish Salid are the same, they are simmalar but not the same.--yisraeldov 19:57, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

The two products you are talking about may very well be different (and yes, I know that charissa is not the same as skhug.) However, the two ARTICLES on Wikipedia were referencing the same food, סחוג, but transliterated the name differently. That is why the articles were merged. DonIncognito 02:14, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Actually they weren't the same article, the ingeredents in Zchuk included cardmon and other spices that are not included in the Schug article... As I mentioned on the comments there. The Zchuk article had 2 recipies the second appeard to be Schug and I wasn't familiar with the first so I assumed it was Zhuk. I un-directed the זחוק Zhug article, you can see the differences for your selevs. ( on a personal note I think I like זחוק better ) --yisraeldov 13:57, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

There is no significant difference between the two articles other than phrasing. I currently see no evidence to suggest that the two names are anything else but different transliterations. I'd be happy to see a description of the differences between Skhug and Zhug, but if they are only subtle, then I do not believe that the issue mertis two separate articles. Unless a significant difference between the two can be provided, I will re-merge the articles. DonIncognito 21:29, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Do you not see that most of the ingredients are differnt ? They are both bassed on hot pepers but the spice mixture is different... I just noticed that the recipie for Shug is not correct ... I will fix it then you can see the difference. (I'm taking the recipie from the hebrew site )

If anyone thinks that there is a problem the way the articles are currently constructed are welcome to correct it. Jon513 13:35, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Did you look at the articles ? They are 2 different things...

Why did you remove cumin and cardamom from Skhug? The sauce contains these spices; maybe the recipe you used did not include the whole ingredient list. Like I said, the difference between the Skhug and Zhug is not big enough to warrant separate articles. Like all traditional sauces, exact spice mixtures may vary from place to place or even family to family. Taking your logic to its conclusion, we should now have separate articles for Skhug adom, yarok, and chum.. But that would be silly, just as having two articles for these sauces.

• Both sauces are of Yemeni origin
• Both have the same base ingredients and the spice mixtures—which you claim are different—are not radically different
• Both sauces are similar in appearance
• The names of the sauces differ only slightly; only slight differences in pronunciations of similar sounds (vocalized/not vocalized)

All of the above leads me to conclude that in essence, these are the same sauces. On the other hand, by your logic, Heinz ketchup and Hunt's ketchup are not variations on a recipe for the same sauce, ketchup, but rather two different sauces altogether. The articles need to be re-merged, in order to avoid redundancy and confusion on Wikipedia. DonIncognito 16:53, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

First I changed the article to match the Hebrew article, please see there. Second I now have a container of סחוג and זחוק infront of me the ingredents in the shug (miki brand ) are the same as what I have listed with the addition of salt, water, and preservatives, no other spices. The zhuk on the other hand does have additional spices listed, and ther is no coriander.

Second, acording to my logic , Ketchup and Spagetti sauce are different, and deserve their own article. The 2 sauces ( in both cases ) are not the same. The 3 different types of Schug still go under the same name because they are different types of the same thing. סחוג and זחוק could go under the same heading of "hot sauces from the middle east" but, you can not say that they are the same, only referencing one and ignoring the other.

If any thing, having 2 articles will reduce confusion , especialy for someone trying to compare the 2 different sauces. If you must have only one article then you must actullay merge the articles, not just overwrite one or the other... And there needs to be mention of the 2 different sauces, and explain the difference in their contents and preperation.

I thin you misunderstood my point. I'm saying that the sauces aren't different ENOUGH to be anything more than variations in the same recipe and pronunciation. It's not like spaghetti sauce vs. ketchup. It's like "ketchup" vs "catsup". Different people have different recipes and different names, but in the end, it's the same basic sauce. There are maybe a dozen mass-produced variations on the ketchup recipe in the US...should each have its own article? DonIncognito 02:28, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

I understand what your saying ... If Ketchup and Catsup were pronouced different and had different ingredients then , yes they would need seperate articles. Also if one company produced, and sold both Catsup and Ketchup then that would be a pretty good indicator that they are differnt enough, compainies generally don't waste the energy to produce 2 producs with different ingredients if they are the same. Next time I go to the store I will try to get a pictuure for you of both.--yisraeldov 14:16, 11 July 2006 (UTC)