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I think that Sissy Spacek is probably a bad example. In Austria and Germany "Sissy" or "Sisi" is also short for Elisabeth, try the a search for sissy in de.wikipedia.org. So given that Ms. Spacek middle name is Elizabeth, her Mother is of German descent and her father is of Czech descent (which once was a part of the Austrian empire) I would guess that this is the true origin of her Nickname.
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Should that picture really be here? I don't see anything particularly "feminine" about the two boys in the picture on this page, and somehow I doubt they've given permission for their photo to be used. Ralphael 01:41, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
shouldn't this be made into a disambiguate(sp?) page? Cjrs 79 03:17, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- Done. Sonic Mew July 8, 2005 20:04 (UTC)
- I strong disagree with making Sissy a disambiguation page. I suspect that I have not followed correct procedure, but I hope that someone may fix whatever errors I have caused. The point is that sissy is a pejorative name for boys or men because it is a common nickname for the girls in a family (a nickname that often takes the place of the actual given name). Calling a boy a sissy is calling him a girl (and not just any girl, but a sister). [Worse still is the use of bubba as a pejorative, which implys that any man from the southern United States is uncultured.] While models generally enjoy and welcome attention and increases to their exposure, I suspect it must be very frustrating for Sissi to have her name misspelled. Wikipedia should hardly participate. In a similar way, Cissy is not Sissy. Finally, the infantilist community uses "sissy baby" to indicate a very specific role in fetish play with manners and behavior closer to cross-dressing than the usual offenses made by a typical sissy (such as a disinterest in sports or a strong preference for obeying the law). Except for the common use of a girl's nickname, sissies and sissy babies have little in common. -Acjelen 9 July 2005 05:20 (UTC)
- That's what the disambiguation is for. "Sissy" is a word that can mean many things. This article already reflects it, and no information is lost at Sissy (disambiguation). It just looks neater. Sonic Mew July 9, 2005 12:34 (UTC)
- I strong disagree with making Sissy a disambiguation page. I suspect that I have not followed correct procedure, but I hope that someone may fix whatever errors I have caused. The point is that sissy is a pejorative name for boys or men because it is a common nickname for the girls in a family (a nickname that often takes the place of the actual given name). Calling a boy a sissy is calling him a girl (and not just any girl, but a sister). [Worse still is the use of bubba as a pejorative, which implys that any man from the southern United States is uncultured.] While models generally enjoy and welcome attention and increases to their exposure, I suspect it must be very frustrating for Sissi to have her name misspelled. Wikipedia should hardly participate. In a similar way, Cissy is not Sissy. Finally, the infantilist community uses "sissy baby" to indicate a very specific role in fetish play with manners and behavior closer to cross-dressing than the usual offenses made by a typical sissy (such as a disinterest in sports or a strong preference for obeying the law). Except for the common use of a girl's nickname, sissies and sissy babies have little in common. -Acjelen 9 July 2005 05:20 (UTC)
[edit] Ninny
I was disappointed to find that Ninny redirects here with no explanation. 71.116.217.242 18:34, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
- I've taken care of it. -Acjelen 20:38, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Dictionary definition?
It seems to me that this isn't really anymore than a dictionary definition, and that some of the messiness of the article derives from the struggle to be something else. I'm looking at Wikipedia is not a usage guide for guidelines. (Is that ironic?) ENeville 02:52, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
- All editors are welcomed to improve any "messiness" they may find on Wikipedia. Take a look at Faggot (epithet) or many of the other words in Category:Pejorative terms for people and Category:Given names. -Acjelen 14:38, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
- My comment was about this article compared to articles on Wikipedia in general, though 'messy' was perhaps itself used sloppily. I'd say that this article is comparable with others in Category:Pejorative terms for people, though I think that Category:Given names is fundamentally different because there you have fixed people who define the meaning and significance of an identifier that has been permanently attached to them, whereas with the perjorative terms you have a name the meaning and significance of which is defined by those who choose to apply it, which becomes a usage issue. And to be clear, this regards all perjorative terms, or more generally all terms whose applicability is disputed, not just the subject of this article. I'm not sure if consensus on this issue will change for Wikipedia, but it does seem to me that there is a conflict between Wikipedia guidelines and articles about names with disputed applicability. ENeville 15:55, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
- Doesn't disputed applicability present an opportunity for Wikipedia to explain, expand, and inform about an issue rather than disregard it? I wrote this article and Bubba after moving to the southern United States and encountered parents and siblings calling their daughters and sisters "Sissy" and sons and brothers Bubba. I thought the covert misogyny and regionalism in using these terms as pejoratives shocking and worthy of acknowledgement on Wikipedia. -Acjelen 17:08, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
- They certainly are issues worthy of attention, I'm just not sure that the material is encyclopedic, at least in my best judgement.ENeville 17:28, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
- I don't know ANYONE who uses the term sissy other than a pejorative reference to a boy who does not engage in stereotypical male behavior. Maybe the lead is what the dictionary says . . . but who uses it that way?--Lindsay (talk) 02:34, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
- Perhaps you haven't spent enough time in the South, where girls are regularly called Sissy. Anyway, the pejorative only makes sense if you know what sissy "means". -Acjelen (talk) 20:00, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
- Well, ok, maybe in the South. It would still surprise me that that would be regular. Anyway, sometimes words take on lives of their own. So while the etymology may be helpful, I think the word's most common usage (the pejorative) should be in the opening. My $0.02.--Lindsay (talk) 02:10, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
- Perhaps you haven't spent enough time in the South, where girls are regularly called Sissy. Anyway, the pejorative only makes sense if you know what sissy "means". -Acjelen (talk) 20:00, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
- I don't know ANYONE who uses the term sissy other than a pejorative reference to a boy who does not engage in stereotypical male behavior. Maybe the lead is what the dictionary says . . . but who uses it that way?--Lindsay (talk) 02:34, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
- They certainly are issues worthy of attention, I'm just not sure that the material is encyclopedic, at least in my best judgement.ENeville 17:28, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
- Doesn't disputed applicability present an opportunity for Wikipedia to explain, expand, and inform about an issue rather than disregard it? I wrote this article and Bubba after moving to the southern United States and encountered parents and siblings calling their daughters and sisters "Sissy" and sons and brothers Bubba. I thought the covert misogyny and regionalism in using these terms as pejoratives shocking and worthy of acknowledgement on Wikipedia. -Acjelen 17:08, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
- My comment was about this article compared to articles on Wikipedia in general, though 'messy' was perhaps itself used sloppily. I'd say that this article is comparable with others in Category:Pejorative terms for people, though I think that Category:Given names is fundamentally different because there you have fixed people who define the meaning and significance of an identifier that has been permanently attached to them, whereas with the perjorative terms you have a name the meaning and significance of which is defined by those who choose to apply it, which becomes a usage issue. And to be clear, this regards all perjorative terms, or more generally all terms whose applicability is disputed, not just the subject of this article. I'm not sure if consensus on this issue will change for Wikipedia, but it does seem to me that there is a conflict between Wikipedia guidelines and articles about names with disputed applicability. ENeville 15:55, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Notability tag
I removed the notability tag from this article. I'm not sure what it was doing there. If I were to add such a tag to Sky or Box, I'd be branded a vandal. -Acjelen 21:57, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
