User talk:Sir Intellegence/think

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I think that hope is now here. :) --Defender 911 23:50, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

I think so too. Sincerely, Sir intellegent - smartr tahn eaver!!!! 19:56, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Consider this

I apologize before hand if this offends you.

You think you life is hard? Your life is nothing compared to what follows.

Our savior, Jesus Christ suffered many things. Let's create the equation.

His suffering through his life on earth + atonement

atonement=1 * average amount of sins that everyone makes in their life time * the amount of people that have lived on this earth, are living on this earth, and will live on this earth * the amount of worlds he (and/or God) have created.

I sure hope this puts your life in a better light.

Respond underneath here.

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  • I am not offended. I don't believe much in proselytization or preaching, and much prefer ecumenism and dialogue. Not only does preaching fall prey to mere chanting of words, without deep meaning or deep understanding, but it also sets a barrier so that it is not two equals but a preacher and a crowd.
I do not believe it puts my life in a better light. I do not believe the difficulties of a god or a son of god are greater than those of an ant, or a human being. Hercules did not have a tough task when his twelve tasks were set upon him, because he was not a normal human being, because he was the son of Jove. Nor do I believe that such a comparison is very useful, because the fact that a car can move at 100 miles/h does not make light of the human 100m sprinter.
Your judgement, "your life is nothing compared to [...]"- Jesus was a very good person, but I'm sure my life is more than nothing, always, compared to anything.
I hope this was elucidating. Thanks for reading this comment. I am very amenable to talk further. Please respond in my user talk page.
Sincerely
Kiyarrllston 04:17, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] I appreciate this, but...

You got me confused when you mentioned God making multiple worlds. Where in the Bible does it say that God made other worlds. (I'm assuming by what you said about Christ that you're Christian...) --69.234.231.52 (talk) 02:34, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Here we are. (I am [[LDS]]) Moses 1:33 states, "And worlds without number have I created; and I also created them for mine own purpose; and by the Son I created them, which is mine Only Begotten." and also in Moses 1:35 it says, "But only an account of this earth, and the inhabitants thereof, give I unto you. For behold, there are many worlds that have passed away by the word of my power. And there are many that now stand, and innumerable are they unto man; but all things are numbered unto me, for they are mine and I know them." For more info go to The Church's web site. (Note: I am not advertising, I am merely answering a question.) Sincerely, Sir Intellegence - smartr tahn eaver!!!! 01:14, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
Wow you answered it very well. Is it true that Mormonism provides greater "wing room" for racism than mainstream Christianity and Judaism? I don't mean to be rude, but I've heard rumors that Mormons believe that Cain's mark was dark skin. Are these rumors true? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.234.234.197 (talk) 22:49, January 13, 2008 (UTC)
Once, we said that. Believed is a more correct term. Now we believe that if that was a mark of sin, we would protest any movie that featured a black god. Which we don't. That, and I have two black Teachers (A rank in our preisthood) in my ward. And there may be more blacks there. 04:42, 19 January 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Silverfireshadow (talk • contribs) 04:42, January 19, 2008 (UTC)

Two points. First, Hebrews Chapter 1, verses 1-2:

1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

Recognizing the limitations of prooftexting from the Bible, the multiple worlds [also] spoken of in Moses 1:35 requires a belief in the revealed theology in Latter-day scripture. Either you have it or you don't.

Which brings me to my second point: The racism claim may seem unrelated to the multiple-world discussion, but of course it is not. I refute that "Mormonism provides greater 'wing room' for racism," but first recognize that this misses the crux: either you accept the revelation or you don't. Let's not argue over peripheries until that is clear.

The universal message of the Atonement of Christ is that each of us are imperfect and in need of salvation. If there are mistakes in Mormonism's past, then they are the mistakes of imperfect humans and are to be expected. As stated on the title page of the Book of Mormon regarding its contents, "if there are faults they are the mistakes of men; wherefore, condemn not the things of God, that ye may be found spotless at the judgment-seat of Christ." Cheers, --Rojerts (talk) 17:37, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

[1] has some great articles on this topic (racism and Mormonism). -Tea and crumpets (t c) 23:41, 21 January 2008 (UTC)