Talk:Sir William Williams, 1st Baronet, of Kars

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If he's listed as "Commander-in-Chief, North America, 1859", why is there no mention of that position in the article? User:Zoe|^(talk) 22:20, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] POV

he practically commanded the Turks during the heroic defence of Kars, repulsing several Russian attacks and severely defeating the Russian general... <a link to wrong Muraviov follows>

This is a fine example of how wikipedia articles should not be written. Williams was defeated at Kars and surrendered it due to his inexcusable mistakes. --Ghirla ^-трёп- 12:34, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Willams defeated every Russian assault and only surrendered when they had no food left and the relief column diverted.

I agree with the comment made by the anonymous user. Our project has no place both for stupid Russian nationalism and xenophobia; the Turkish garrison heroically repulsed all attacks during the siege and prefered to surrender only because of cholera, famine, lack of supplies and a terrible mistake of Omar Pasha. The garrison was doomed but resisted fiercely, ignoring these troubles. This is undoubtly an example of heroism which is, remember, not a Russian prerogative.Asharidu 18:56, 11 September 2007 (UTC)