Talk:Sir Ralf of Bracebridge
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[edit] Odd indeed
I appreciate the article has references, but the story is tells is odd indeed. "Sir"? Not an Anglo-Saxon appellation. "Ralf"? Not, so far as I know, a name much found in Anglo-Saxon times. Even "Rolf" only appears once in the PASE, although that's evidently incomplete as Edward the Confessor's nephew is missing. Still, he wasn't an Anglo-Saxon. "Knight"? Again, not an Anglo-Saxon term. All very strange and rather worrying. Angus McLellan (Talk) 22:33, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
P.S. This, on Google books, does indeed show a "Ralph of Bracebridge" in Lincs., but a couple of hundred years later than this article suggests. Angus McLellan (Talk) 22:36, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
All very odd indeed, but I think there is truth to this, as "Kingsbury Hall, the Genealogy of a Family", is a published source by a very skilled genealogist (Ken Kingsbury), who has traveled throughout the United States and England tracing the family roots. Additionally, Mr. Kingsbury used another (in my opinion) reliable source in his book: "The Concise Oxford Dictionary of English Place Names" by Eilert Ekwall, 4th edition, Oxford and the Clarendon Press, UK 1970. Bracebrig-Bracebridge. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pecopteris (talk • contribs) 17:09, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
P.S. Additonally, (Talk) admits that the PASE is incomplete, so obviously this is an unreliable source.--Pecopteris (talk) 17:18, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
- The PASE is as sound a source as we can get, but evidently a work in progress. I don't quite follow your comments. I haven't read Ekwell's book, but it's on toponymy, so I don't see that this can be based on Ekwell. Doesn't Kingsbury give any primary sources (charters, chroniclers)? This seems rather like another Guy of Warwick to me. Angus McLellan (Talk) 17:26, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
I still think that a published book that gets a source from another published source is reliable. An online list (the PASE) is an incomplete, unpublished list. I would take Mr. Kingsbury and Mr. Ekwell's words over the PASE. I will include your question in my next e-mail to Ken.--Pecopteris (talk) 21:12, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
- What did Ekwell say? Failing some explanation, deletion seems like the obvious solution. Angus McLellan (Talk) 22:14, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
I say keep. After all, there are 2 published sources. I sent an email with some questions to Ken Kingsbury, and I say we wait until he replies, and we edit the arcticle adding information I make get from him. Then, if the arcticle is still weak, then proposed deletion may be an option.--Pecopteris (talk) 23:11, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
- So far, I have not heard from Mr. Kingsbury, but he is a busy man, and I am sure he will respond soon. I will post another message when I hear from him.--Pecopteris (talk) 21:53, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
