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[edit] Cei in Mabinogion

"Peredur son of Efrawg" is the Welsh tale which Chretien de Troyes apparently based his "Percival" on, and in it Cei has the same rude behavior and serves as an antagonist of Peredur. Does this not merit a change in the summary of the "Welsh Cai" section? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lordjim13 (talk • contribs)

I don't think so, because the relationship between Peredur, Son of Efrawg and Chretien's Perceval, the Story of the Grail is unclear. Manuscripts of Peredur are later than Chretien, and Chretien probably didn't base his story on Peredur as we have it (though a common original has long been suggested). Because of the later date it is also possible Peredur is actually based on Chretien. Therefore, Cai as he appears in Peredur (or any of the Welsh Romances for that matter) might have been based more on Chretien's version of the character than on the earlier indigenous Welsh version.--Cúchullain ^t/c 06:29, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Also, you can sign your comments by placing four tildas (~~~~) after them, or by clicking the "signature button" above.--Cúchullain ^t/c 06:30, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

I added info on the Welsh Romances to the "Welsh Cai" section.--Cúchullain ^t/c 07:16, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, that's fine. Just thought it needed mentioning anyway! Lordjim13 23:34, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kay in the mythos of The Dark Tower

The second issue of Marvel Comics' The Dark Tower: The Gunslinger Born added an incarnation of Sir Kay to the altered version of Arthurian mythos that Stephen King incorporated into his Dark Tower series. I added the basics of this incarnation of Kay to this article's Modern Adaptations section, but it was reverted by Cuchullain, who stated "that's not the same character". I submit that as Arthur Eld, as depicted in the Dark Tower media, is an alternate-reality incarnation of King Arthur, so too is Eld's advisor, Sir Kay Deschain, a different incarnation of the Arthurian Kay. Rather than simply revert back and forth, I present my case here for discussion--namely, that the information I added belongs in this article. -- Pennyforth 11:15, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cai Hir

I marked this as needing a refrence not that I doubt it, but that the only citation provided so far in this article -- Bromwich's notes to the Welsh Triads -- has no reference to that form of his name, only Cai mab Kenyr, which she notes means "Path son of Way" suggesting an origin in Welsh Märchen. Whether or not she is right, this alternative form need to be sourced. -- llywrch 04:17, 8 August 2007 (UTC)