Talk:Sir George Carteret, 1st Baronet

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Would be good if someone could tie George to the other Carteret's, starting with John and following to various Seigneurs of Sark (snark snark). All I know is that George's first son was Philip who was the first governor of New Jersey (well, not quite first - Col. Richard Nicolls had governed it after conquest without knowing that it had already been given to Carteret and Berkeley. Boy did THAT cause trouble later when the proprietors tried to get quitrents from the original Nicolls patentess, who...but I digress)

The second son of George, James, staged a coup in 1672 when Philip was back in England, but that only lasted just over a year.

Them's all the Carteret's I know about, so perhaps someone could identify the link between George and the first of those Sarks: Hellier De Carteret.

ArloBee 02:49 27 May 2003 (UTC) Hellion of Cologne, New Jersey.

According to this page] he was son of Helier Carteret. If so, I have a slightly different birthdate for him (between 1609 and 1617). Did his first son marry Jemima Montagu, daughter of the 1st Earl of Sandwich? If so, (and if his wife's maiden name was Elizabeth Carteret) that's our man. -- Someone else 03:03 27 May 2003 (UTC)

that article says that George was born in 1599, as does my source (NJ Archives), and he died in January 1679/1680. His wife's name was (Lady)Elizabeth (and that's where Elizabeth-town got its name), and his eldest son Philip also married an Elizabeth, and after Philip died in 1684 there was some dispute over whether she could keep the mansion they lived in at Elizabethtown after she married a Townley in 1685. Now the Seigneurs of Sarkpage has 1563 to 1578 as the period that Hellier was SoS, whichc I would presume implies that H died in 1578 - if so he could not be George's dad. Perplexing. ArloBee 03:38 27 May 2003 (UTC)

I still think that may be him (son of Helier Carteret, Seigneur of St. Owen and his wife Elizabeth Dumaresq... they reused the Helier name a lot in this family). Obviously we need more info, I"ll keep looking! -- Someone else 03:46 27 May 2003 (UTC)

the 1911 Brittanica raises doubts that Philip (gov of New Jersey) was a *son* of George: calling him "a relative" the plot thickens.... ArloBee 03:53 27 May 2003 (UTC)

Helier de Carteret, 1st Seigneur of Sark, was Sir George's Great Grandfather.

I can clear up the Philippe matter thus... George did have a son called Philippe, but he was not the NJ Governor. Georges son can be distinguished as the only Carteret who was a Fellow of the Royal Society. I have created a new Wiki page concerning him, linked in above.

Phillipe, NJ Governor, was actually a cousin of George and part of the Trinity, Jersey, branch of the family. Coincidentally he had a father called Helier, (nearly as popular as Philip varients), and a wife called Elizabeth. Although Elizabethtown, NJ, was named for George de Carteret's wife Elizabeth, not Philip's wife.

Person sheets linking into the family's database can be found at the end of each Carteret page. The family website can be found at [[1]]NThomas82 17:43, 17 October 2006 (UTC)