Talk:Sir Dystic

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More information about this article... The following comments have been left for this page: Good start-level article. --Myles Long 17:45, 12 August 2006 (UTC) (edit)

[edit] Redirect to Cult of the Dead Cow?

I'm not disputing that he's someone worth noting on Wikipedia, but is there enough notable info to make a full-fledged article solely about him? --Vedek Dukat ^Talk 07:05, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

He's a notable guy in a notable group who's written notable software; that alone should warrant him a "full-fledged" article. It seems pretty obvious to me. Still, the article needs work, but that's no reason to turn it into a redirect. I'll look into beefing it up in the near future. --Myles Long 15:09, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

But is he noteworthy for anything other than being the author of the programs, or is there a story behind how he developed them, etc? If he's only known for the fact that he wrote those programs then a mention in the relevant articles that a member going by the alias of "Sir Dystic" authored them. --Vedek Dukat ^Talk 18:51, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

This is really a discussion that should be on the talk page for that article, as there are possible people who would be interested in it that aren't watching our talk pages. In fact, I'm going to move this discussion there, please reply there. Yes, there's more to his story than "he wrote some programs." Google his name, there are plenty of interviews and such with him that describe, among other things, the story behind how and why he developed them. I wonder at the motive of your singling out this article for notability, when there are many other articles on hackers, programmers, writers, musicians, etc. that are less notable than him (arguably) that have less information than presented here. --Myles Long 19:30, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

People on Wikipedia these days seem to have forgotten to assume good faith; I didn't single him out for anything, just like I wasn't representing Spanish nationalist interests when I suggested that Toledo, Spain should be at Toledo and a user from Ohio proceeded to call me disingenuous. :P I happened across the article was all. --Vedek Dukat ^Talk 19:56, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Who says I didn't assume good faith? That's why I reverted your change of the article to a redirect in the first place and didn't bring it up. In the interest of good faith, reasoning for changing an article into a redirect should probably be noted on the article's talk page, but that's neither here nor there. I assumed good faith, answered your question about his notability, and said that I'd work on the article soon. Apparently, you did not assume good faith on my part (that I would do what I said and work on the article).

Perhaps someone else would care to comment? I doubt if either Vedek Dukat or I will be changing our minds any time soon. --Myles Long 20:46, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Lots of info has just been added. Still a stub, though, imo. --Myles Long 16:01, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Great job, the article looks good now. For the record though, I wasn't assuming anything, just asking a question. ;) The thing about faith was directed at the bit about my motive. --Vedek Dukat ^Talk 18:36, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Seeing that this article has been expanded substantially using reliable secondary sources, I think it would be best to keep it seperate as it is, not to redirect. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 16:07, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Keep separate–Sir Dystic has been a featured speaker at hacker conventions for years (I was there when he released SMBRelay at AtlantaCon a few years ago). He is the creator of a notable remote admin trojan horse. He is associated with a notable group. He seems notable enough to warrant a separate bio. Dick Clark 20:45, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Real Name

Myles Long, "Josh Buchbinder" is relatively well-known in Microsoft computer security circles and conferences. Additionally, his name is referenced at the following URLs (amongst other places I have no time to dig up at the moment):

http://www.answers.com/topic/sir-dystic

http://www.sdnp.undp.org/rc/forums/tech/sdnptech/msg01713.html

Out of respect for sd, cDc, and you, I'll leave the decision of a re-add up to you, since you seem to be the primary maintainer of this article. Jgw 01:13, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Not disputing your point, but the answers.com reference is bogus, since it is just a copy of what's already here on Wikipedia. Alan 15:55, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

It's not bogus, although it appears to be bogus as a reference. As a point of reference, you can also find many of his old pre-cDc days posts to alt.tasteless where he openly used his real name in connection with his nickname, Sir Dystic (sirdystic@crl.com iirc). Anyway, as I said before, I leave it in the hands of Myles. As an aside, what has sd been up to, these days? I haven't talked to him in a long time now and hope he's doing well. He was an insanely prolific, humble, and creative coder and he directly got me started with Win32 C and Windows network programming. Jgw 18:44, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay. Yeah, since his real name was in the New York Times, I suppose it's fair game. That's probably the best reference to use, imo. I'll add it myself shortly. As for what he's been up to, I'd better let him tell you himself. The email address listed for him here works. --Myles Long 15:00, 24 April 2007 (UTC)