Talk:Sir Dalrymple Arbuthnot, 5th Baronet

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Doing some cleanup on all the Arbuthnot articles. Non-notable info removed from this article:

  • Married, 15 January 1918, (Alice) Maud ("Maudie") Arbuthnot (born 14 July 1880, died 16 October 1969)

[edit] Problems with this article

I have some problems and questions about this article. Here is the original article text:

Sir Dalrymple Arbuthnot, 5th Bt of Edinburgh, CMG, DSO,
JP. Born India 1 April 1867. Died 31 March 1941. Colonel, RFA; Hon
Brigadier General, 1920. Served Chitral 1895 (medal with clasp), [[South
African War]] 1899-1902 (despatches, two medals, five clasps), WW I
(despatches eight times, Brevet), commanded 12th Corps 1916, Order 
St Michael & St Lazarus of Italy. Married, 15 January 1918, (Alice) Maud 
("Maudie") Arbuthnot (born 14 July 1880, died 16 October 1969)
  • "Colonel RFA": as far as I can determine, RFA means Royal Field Artillery. 06:26, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
  • "Brevet": the original article simply says "Brevet". I think the most likely meaning of this is that Arbuthnot was brevetted (temporatrily promoted) to General in order to command 12 Corps. (Certainly one must be a general to command a divison let alone a corps.) I could be wrong about this.
Source reads "Served in the European War 1914-18 (Despatches, Brevet-Colonel, CMG, DSO)" which undermines Herostratus conclusion. Kittybrewster 06:51, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
Does this site help any? It says he was CRA (Colonel of Royal Artillery) May 1915, commanding 28th Division, BGRA (Brigadier General Royal Artillery) XII Corps at Salonika January–July 1916, CRA 23rd Division January 1917–July 1918, and BGRA XXIII Corps July 1918–armistice. Choess 07:04, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
  • His rank: The original article had him listed in Category:British Army generals, but the body of the article gave no statement of such rank, except for his honorary rank, which doesn't count. However, I figured that he must have been at least a brevetted general to command 12 Corps, and one would think he surely must have been a division commander in the corps when brevetted -- surely they would not have brevetted a brigade commander to command the corps, passing over the divisional generals -- which would almost require a rank of general. On the other hand, his honorary rank of Brigadier General (the lowest rank of general) in 1920 strongly implies that he was NOT a general before that. Taking all together, I decided to state that he wes a general.
Original source (Memories) says "Brigadier-General Sir Dalrymple ...". Burke's Peerage puts it differently - see note in text - Kittybrewster 06:57, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Taking all this into account, I feel compelled to put a verify tag on this article. Herostratus 21:37, 20 December 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Baronet of Edinburgh?

I may be only a simple American, but I've never heard of Baronets having geographic titles. Wouldn't he just be Dalrymple Arbuthnot, Bt.? Zoe (216.234.130.130 21:59, 20 December 2005 (UTC))

I'm American too... hmmm, nope, it says at Baronetage of the United Kingdom that its Baronet Arbuthnot of Edinburgh... Herostratus 05:18, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
I'm British. ... All Baronetcies have a territorial designation to distinguish them from another Baronetcy of the same name. I have added a note near the bottom of Baronet. ... Kittybrewster 04:58, 20 January 2006