Talk:Sindhi people

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[edit] Separate articles?

I've seen the edits to this articles in recent times. There seems to be some confusion regarding Sindhis of India and Sindhis of Pakistan. For example, Jhulelal is venerated among Hindu Sindhis, not Muslim Sindhis of Pakistan. I wonder if there should there be separate artciles: Sindhi people of India and Sindhi people of Pakistan? utcursch | talk 10:49, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Hey Utcursch. Good ideas as always. Although I have to ask what's the point of discussing this one deity regarding even the Sindhis of India? They are, in general Hindu, and I'd hate to see an entire article about them become simply a platform for this particular deity. With that said, I am not necessarily averse to the idea of separate articles for each, but they should adhere to certain standards. For example, this article on the Sindhi people doesn't overally examine specific veneration of sufi saints, but just mentions that some of them are involved in that practice etc. Similarly, that's what should take place for a Sindhi people of India article in my opinion IF you choose to go that route. I'm somewhat neutral on the idea, but I greatly appreciate your attempt at seeing all sides and trying to find a solution. I'm just not sure you need to do that for everyone who is sitting on a soapbox. Perhaps we could keep this article as a general one and then a separate one for the Sindhis of India since they are the much smaller group AND there are over a million Sindhi Hindus in Pakistan as well. Just my take. Thanks and take care. Tombseye 20:59, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

> You can't say that Jhilelal is just association with Hindus Sindhis of India. As there are Hindu Sindhis both in India and Pakistan. As for Jhulelal, he is celebrated by Sindhi Muslims also, but just by different names....

> Also, many of todays Sindhi Muslims would have been at some point Sindhi Hindus who changed religion etc... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.146.107.77 (talk) 15:45, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Jinnah's Picture

-Muhammad Ali Jinnah was of Gujarati origin. Just because he was born in Sindh, it does not change his ethnicity, which goes back to his parents, who were from Gujarat. Someone clarify for me please. It would be better to try to find a picture of some historic Sindhi person like, Shah Abdul Latif, if one exists. -User: Afghan Historian

firstly jinnah is here becuase i couldnt find any other un-copyrighted pictures of famous sindhi people. if you can find one for me. great ill change it. but seriously i do think jinnah should be considered sindhi. he was born in sindh for 1, 2) he is of the of the clan that most muslims in north west india is from. rajput, jat or whatever, unless you can give me concrete proof saying he is a GUJJAR.

His father was a Khoja muslim from the Kathiawar area in Gujarat. Furthermore Jinnah spoke Gujarati, Karachi was and still is one of the most cosmopolitan cities in South Asia, people from many different ethnicities who live there.

this might help you.you can find names and list of sindhi (muslims and hindus)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Sindh

Some Sindhi Some Sindhi personalities / dignitaries who born in Sindh / Sindhi families & earned international name / reputation

link (http://www.sindhtoday.net/celebrity.htm)

--Khalidkhoso 12:18, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Moved from Talk:Main Page

Dear Sir/Madam, It is mentioned on the page

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sindhi_people

that there are 23 millio Sindhi speakers. Though this figure is much lower than the fatual figure, an other page

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sindhi_language

states that the number of Sindhi speakers in only 19.7 millions. It is contradictions in what the Wikipedia states for Sindhi lanauge.

There is an other condradictory statement on

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sindhi_language

that Sindhi is written in Devnagri script. The fact is that the Devnagri script is never recognized officially. Even the govt. of India declares Sindhi as one of its official and national languages in ARABIC SINDHI script. Even if you consider the Devnagri script more acceptable to Sindhi Hindus in India, considering their smaller number (2.8 millions: as stated by one of your pages), the Sindhi article on the page

http://sd.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page

must have been place in Sindhi Arabic script. Sindhi practically used as official language in Sindh in Sindhi Arabic Script. The official website of NATIONAL COUNCIL FOR PROMOTION OF SINDHI LANGUAGE (INDIA) provides a Sindhi font for downloading, which is an ARABIC-SINDHI font. This established the fact that even in INDIA, Sindhi is dominantly accepted and written in ARABIC-SINDHI script.

Kindly redress the issue; by placing the articles in ARABIC-SINDHHI script.

Ahsan Ahmad Ursani

The above was originally posted on Talk: Main Page by User:Aursani at 23:30 on 2006 February 14 (UTC). --PFHLai 07:30, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

[TEJWANI]: Dear Sir/Madam, I second the opinion of Ursani above regarding ARABIC-SINDHI script. I for one was educated in this script in a primary school in INDIA.

[edit] Template Problems

-I removed the Baloch and Pashtuns as Indo-Aryan-relatives of the Sindhis from the template. They are both Iranian peoples, not Indo-Aryan groups. Just because they reside on the subcontinent (or more rather, its northwestern fringes) doesn't mean they are Indo-Aryan. I've replaced them with Rajputs and Jats, who are Indo-Aryan. -[[Afghan Historian 21:00, 7 March 2006 (UTC)]]

[edit] Indian Sindhis

This article discusses nothing about Indian Sindhis or of influence of Hinduism on Sindhis as a whole. My understanding is that most Hindu Sindhis who migrated to India were of merchant castes while those left behind were of so called "lower" castes. Maybe somebody could contribute to this. Image:England flag large.png अमेय आर्यन DaBroodey 16:03, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

NO there is no such things.Those who were left behind were protect by muslims and many of those adopted cast system of those muslim as we have Bugti Hindu Sindhi(they are Hindu Sindhi),Rind Hindu Sindhi and many more but many have not changed there cast as we have advani(L.K advai Head of BJP in india) and Govindani and many other Hindu Sindhi (they are many From Middle or High Class Religious class) as Barhaman Sindhi living in Thar. You are true that Hindu sindhi are marchant,that is true.it is regardless if they are an india,pakistan or any part of world.here in Pakistan sindh Hindu Sindhi are Educated and having good jobs.

[edit] Dravidians

The part about Dravidians invading from Iran and being linguistically related to the Elamites is a controversial theory that is not universally accepted, but it is presented as indisputably factual in the article. --Grammatical error 12:38, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] where to put these cast\tribes names

There are many other groups too ,i am not sure about there roots but for sure they been living here in sindh for centuries. tell me where to put them? List of tribes

Khaskhli (tribe living in larkana,Shahdad kot,Tando Adam)
Dahar
Qasmi
Qureshi
Sommro
Jukhio
Bundh
Tuni
Bohar
Jhatial
Thebo
Abbasi
Mangi
Qazi
Mahar
Sindhi Memon
Odho
Hakro
Syial

--Khalidkhoso 05:56, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

these all are sindhi speaking groups and living sindh for generations —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Khalidkhoso (talk • contribs) 05:55, 20 December 2006 (UTC).

I have added these tribes to the article and provided a reference. Those who have more knowledge on the tribes are welcome to elaborate on them. Thanks, Anupam^Talk 06:52, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Anu for All this Help

--Khalidkhoso 11:49, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "related groups" info removed from infobox

For dedicated editors of this page: The "Related Groups" info was removed from all {{Infobox Ethnic group}} infoboxes. Comments may be left on the Ethnic groups talk page. Ling.Nut 17:22, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mass exodus of Hindu Sindhis

This article should not have been 'linked out' to some Partition of India page. It is insulting to the Hindu Sindhi community. The fate of Hindu Sindhis was terrible, as the Hindus forced out of Sindh due to violence (though it is a pity that younger generations are told they 'left' as if by choice). The Partition was the worse thing to happen in Sindh (both for Muslims and Hindus). Millions of Hindus were forced to flee!

Many Hindus wanted to return to Sindh which was their native homeland once the violence died down but were unable to.

I think is an insult to a community that has suffered the most as a result of the Partition, to not even be acknowledged and that the article should be fobbed off somewhere else....

Hindu Sindhis were left with no homeland, unlike Punjab we split between India and Pak and so was Bengal. So each community had a piece of land. Even then slitting of Sindh was not necessary, as Hindu Sindis would have been okay to live under Muslim rule, so long as the community was respected and protected.

Today those Hindu Sindhi that have left, are propering due to hard work and grace of God. The language of Hindu Sindhis is dying in India etc... since most migrated to parts which are not native in language etc...

I am not going to edit back the Mass Exodus of Hindu Sindhis.... since someone will come along and try to re-write history!. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.146.172.177 (talk) 12:07, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

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