Talk:Sindarin

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[edit] Glossary

I think we should include a glossary (in table form) of Sindarin roots commonly seen in geographic names, i.e. mor, duin, etc. I don't have time to do it today, but I think it would be a good idea.

I agree. A lot of the naming elements in Lord Of The Rings appear a number of times, so the more common ones should probably be characterised. Here's a short list (I don't have the skill yet for a full HTML table):
    Sindarin     English       Example
    amon         hill             Amon Sûl "Hill of Wind", Emyn Beraid "Tower Hills"
    ang          iron             Angband "Iron Prison"
    angren       of iron          Angrenost "Fortress of Iron", Ered Engrin "Mountains of Iron"
    annon        door, gate       Morannon "Black Gate"
    barad        tower            Barad-dûr "Dark Tower"
    celeb        silver           Celeborn "Silvertree"
    dôr          land             Gondor "Stone Land", Mordor "Black Land"
    duin         river            Anduin "Long River"
    dûr          dark             Durthang "Dark Oppression"
    iâ           void, abyss      Moria "Black Abyss"
    mith         grey             Mithrandir "Grey Pilgrim"
    mor          black            Morannon "Black Gate"
    orn          tree             Celeborn "Silvertree", Fangorn "Treebeard"
    orod         mountain         Orodruin "Red Flame Mountain"
    ril          brilliance       mithril "grey brilliance"
There's a big glossary of the more common terms in the back of the Silmarillion.


It would be nice to some examples in the 'Language Codes' section. The quenya article includes text examples in both Tengwar and Latin alphabets. I don't know enough about the language to do it myself... Jmejia 09:26, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

I might suggest putting such a 'glossary' on Wikibooks. --CBDunkerson 23:50, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Babel

Is anyone interested in creating Babel templates for Sindarin/Quenya? UrbaneLegend 23:32, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

See Category:User_que for a start on that. --CBDunkerson 23:50, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Uses in LOTR #1

On the Caradhras, Sindarin was the language Gandalf chanted back after hearing Sauruman's spell in Quenya. --66.218.11.78 04:03, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] How to write in Elvish?

I am a big fan of the Tolkein universe. I believe that we need a subarticle showing how to write it Sindarin, Quenya, and Feonorian (sp?). If nessecary I can aid in this. 72.188.250.182 01:33, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

You may be interested in the article on the Tengwar (and possibly Cirth). — The Storm Surfer 23:01, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Everything2 link

I removed the "Reference" section that contained this:

Besides being a self-reference, this goes against the whole point of the GFDL. I'm frankly shocked that this has remained in this article, without comment, since the first edit — and that some editors have actually updated it! If I'm missing something here and this is not only allowed but somehow appropriate, by all means add it back, but please provide an explanation. --Sapphic 00:25, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] German diphthongs

"German-speakers would have an advantage, as ae and oe are pronounced like German ei/ai and eu/äu."

This isn't quite correct. Those German digraphs are pronounced [aɪ] and [ɔʏ], not [aɛ] and [ɔɛ] - German doesn't have any diphthongs like that. Unless someone objects, I'm just going to change it.

Also, somehow the fact that Sindarin possesses /y/ was overlooked.

The Dropper 22:16, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes, please do remove the information if it is inaccurate. — The Storm Surfer 23:06, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pedo mellon a minno

I think there should be a discussion about Pedo mellon a minno - there is an obscure (for the readers, not for the characters) grammatical error in Gandalf's rendering of this expression as "Speak, friend, and enter!". Albmont (talk) 19:13, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Voiceless alveolar lateral fricative

The note on the ortography of the voiceless alveolar lateral fricative should include <ll> when comming from older <lt>, as described in The Two Phonetic Values of ll in Elvish Sindarin in The Lord of the Rings. It should also be noted that <lh> only has that sound initially, as medially it is pronounced separately (alveolar lateral approximant + voiceless glottal transition). Rjaroszewski (talk) 16:20, 26 March 2008 (UTC)