User talk:Simetrical
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
[edit] WHAT DOES NOT BELONG HERE
- Anything related to something on another talk page. Don't split discussion across multiple talk pages, please, it's just confusing.
- Thanking me for supporting you in some discussion/vote or other. It's a bit annoying to see that "you have new messages" thing all the time for things that aren't really substantive. So let me preemptively say, you're welcome.
[edit] BA RFAr evidence
I will eat you
[edit] Re: Template:Image source
You asked me to unprotect the template so you could make some changes to it. Just reminding you that I did reduce it to semi-protection, so whenever you get around to making your changes... Later. — Jul. 1, '06 [13:58] <freak|talk>
[edit] Editing of "Colgate University" page
I received a message from you that I edited the Colgate University page, and the edit was vandalism. I must let you know, however, that I was incorrectly identified through the IP address. All computers on the Colgate networked are masked under a small number (less than 10) IP addresses, so it could have been any other of the 3500 computer users on this campus. Not your fault, but I just wanted to let you know.
[edit] "Custom TOCs"
Hello, the law page looks a bit odd with a long blank space, because there's a short introduction and lots of content categories. Surely that counts as a good reason to deviate from the wikimanual you referred to when responding to the other person's complaint about this in August. I imagine wikimanuals are there for guidance on the more wild and undeveloped pages, where people fiddle with the style all the time and do little with substance. Best wishes. User:Wikidea
[edit] editsection stylesheet
Hello, I've investigated a problem with the display of the [edit] links (next to the title of each paragraph) when there is more than one object (usually image) with "float" parameter in the preceding paragraph. In this case (using FF) the [edit] link does not appear on the same height as the title of the paragraph - but on the same height as the lowest floating preceding object - which apparently is the exact behavior specified in CSS 2.0. I think I have a solution, and I came to talk to you about it in advise of user:rotemliss on the Hebrew wikipedia - who said you take care of this aspect. The solution is pretty simple, instead of having the editsection CSS (on /skins-1.5/common/shared.css) defined as -
.editsection {
float: right;
margin-left: 5px;
}
set it to -
.editsection {
display: block;
text-align: right;
position: relative;
}
("text-align: left;" on RTL projects). In this setup the [edit] link would always be in-line with the paragraph title, and lined to the top of the title - this works good on FF, and IE as far as I've checked, so if there are nothing I've missed I don't see a reason why not to replace it. תודה, Costello (talk) 20:27, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
- This was tried, I reversed it. I observed distinctly different appearance in other browsers (e.g., old versions of IE). Specifically, it shifts up by somewhat different amounts in different browsers, whatever you shift it up by. (I assume you left out the "top: 1.2em" or similar statement.) For discussion of the issue, you can read bug 1629. I do plan to fix this, the question is only when. —Simetrical (talk • contribs) 04:27, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] You're invited!
...to the next New York City Meetup!
 |
New York City Meetup
|
In the morning, there are exciting plans for a behind-the-scenes guided tour of the American Museum of Natural History.
In the afternoon, we will hold a session dedicated to discussing meta:Wikimedia New York City issues (see the last meeting's minutes).
In the evening, we'll share dinner and chat at a local restaurant, and (weather permitting) hold a late-night astronomy event at Columbia's telescopes.
You can add or remove your name from the New York City Meetups invite list at Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Invite list.
This has been an automated delivery by BrownBot (talk) 01:29, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Revision when rollbacker was implemented
Hi there. Hope the little debate we had yesterday wasn't too exhausting! :-) I was wondering if you would be able to point me towards the actual revision that implemented rollbacker? The impression I get from the "shell" stuff is that the switch is in some en-wiki specific thing, and that globally (for all the projects) the ability to turn on this new user right was available earlier. One of the points (I think) is that this software change wasn't available at the time of the earlier poll. I do remember seeing some talk somewhere about how some clunky patch that was used to change user rights had been made redundant by some change - was it this change that also allowed the rollbacker thing to go ahead? Any pointers would be much appreciated. Carcharoth (talk) 13:22, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
- There are two separate concepts here that a lot of people get confused. One type of access you can have is to commit changes to the Subversion repository. This repository contains almost all the code used for running the site. Changes made here do not take effect immediately. Users with just commit access cannot do anything at all to the servers by themselves.
The other type of access you can have is shell access, i.e., more or less full access to the servers (possibly restricted somewhat so that you can't seriously disrupt the system). Shell users can run programs and store files and so on on the servers if they want, but the more relevant thing is that they are given the permission to change various configuration settings, they can update the code that's running on the servers to the latest version from Subversion (or any other version), and some (maybe all, I don't know, but at least all the roots) have direct access to the database. These things are not kept in Subversion, cannot be changed by people with only commit access, and are not publicly viewable. Therefore there is no revision to link you to.
I refer to developers and sysadmins separately, by the way, because the two groups are not only quite different in their rights, but they don't fully overlap. Sysadmins like JeLuF may have commit access, but in practice they never use it. They might not be familiar with the MediaWiki code, they might not even be familiar with programming at all beyond simple scripts. They therefore can't add new features to the software, and perhaps more importantly, they can't review things like new extensions. The two main sysadmins who are also developers are Brion Vibber and Tim Starling. (Other active or semi-active sysadmins can also write code, like Domas and River, but they don't presently tend to add new features to the software, or review them.)
As for the software change: up until a few months ago, there was no reasonable way for user-rights assignment to be given out on a modular basis. Either you were a steward and could change all rights however you wanted on Special:Userrights, or you could change nothing. When, in days of yore, it was perceived this was a little inflexible, someone coded up a totally different page, Special:Makesysop, and gave it a special right so that bureaucrats could use it. Later, stewards were having to field an excessive number of bot addition/removal requests, and there was quite a bit of lag involved (this was true until maybe a year ago, I think), and so Rob Church coded up yet another entirely different special page, Special:Makebot. What this meant is that if you wanted to create a rollbacker group, you would have to get a developer to write an entire extension for you, and it would have to be checked over and enabled by one of the two active developer/sysadmins I mentioned for reasonableness.
So several months ago, I changed Special:Userrights so any group could be easily configured to have limited access to it, for instance only to grant sysop, bureaucrat, and bot and to remove bot. None of the sysadmins used it that I know of, however, until a short while ago, when Werdna improved it further (by adjusting interwiki rights-granting, etc.). Now it is possible for any group to be given the right to add or remove any other group, and quite a few long-standing shell requests can be fulfilled (plus Makesysop and Makebot will be obsoleted once the Userrights interface is cleaned up a bit more). So when this was previously discussed, no, it could not have been implemented. It's only possible within the past few weeks. —Simetrical (talk • contribs) 19:06, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
- Wow! Thanks for all that. I feel like I know how things work around here now! :-) I knew some of this already, but some of it I didn't know, or had forgotten. You may not be aware, but Doc Glasgow (following a suggestion by Jimbo) has filed an arbitration case to clear up the issue of consensus. I'm not sure how clued-up the Arbitration Committee are on what you just said above, so maybe you might want to post something over at WP:RFARB to provide the background? Just add a statement and type away (not sure if you know how that system works). Carcharoth (talk) 01:47, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
- I have participated in ArbCom proceedings before on occasion. I imagine that there are people on the ArbCom who understand well enough how things work, and if not I'm sure they'll have the sense to ask if they're unsure. —Simetrical (talk • contribs) 17:59, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
- Wow! Thanks for all that. I feel like I know how things work around here now! :-) I knew some of this already, but some of it I didn't know, or had forgotten. You may not be aware, but Doc Glasgow (following a suggestion by Jimbo) has filed an arbitration case to clear up the issue of consensus. I'm not sure how clued-up the Arbitration Committee are on what you just said above, so maybe you might want to post something over at WP:RFARB to provide the background? Just add a statement and type away (not sure if you know how that system works). Carcharoth (talk) 01:47, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Request for comment on main page deletion incident
As you made an edit to the incident listed in the Administrators notice board, it is requested that you confirm the details of the incident here (section 1.1.2)
This is as the incident is used as the basis of an argument and needs to be confirm by persons familar with the event
Regards --User:Mitrebox talk 2008-02-22 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.11.244.78 (talk) 07:57, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] New mailing list
There has been a mailing list created for Wikipedians in the New York metropolitan area (list: Wikimedia NYC). Please consider joining it! Cbrown1023 talk 21:39, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] You are invited!
|
New York City Meetup
|
In the afternoon, we will hold a session dedicated to meta:Wikimedia New York City activities, and have salon-style group discussions on Wikipedia and the other Wikimedia projects (see the last meeting's minutes).
Well also make preparations for our exciting Wikipedia Takes Manhattan event, a free content photography contest for Columbia University students planned for Friday March 28 (about 2 weeks after our meeting).
In the evening, we'll share dinner and chat at a local restaurant, and (weather permitting) hold a late-night astronomy event at Columbia's telescopes.
You can add or remove your name from the New York City Meetups invite list at Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Invite list.
You're also invited to subscribe to the public Wikimedia New York City mailing list, which is a great way to receive timely updates.
This has been an automated delivery because you were on the invite list. BrownBot (talk) 03:32, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Discovered attack
The convention that the Chess Wikiproject uses is to put the "chess notation" tag at the top of the article. Bubba73 (talk), 15:32, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] On refs with missing closing tags
The literal string "<ref>" could legitimately occur in a reference's text.[citation needed] --Random832 (contribs) 03:37, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
- I didn't say it was probable on the English Wikipedia. There's no intrinsic reason it's nonsensical, however. It might be worthwhile to assume it's not intended, however, since it seems to be much more likely in most circumstances that you left off the ending tag, I agree. —Simetrical (talk • contribs) 16:04, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
- Well, the other thing is, there's a difference between <ref> showing up unescaped, and <ref> - and since you can't have references within references (arguably a bug), you should really be using the latter anyway. --Random832 (contribs) 16:20, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
- Yes, that's true. If <nowiki>, <pre>, and entity escaping all worked to avoid the error message, it would probably be fine. I even once wrote a patch to that effect and attached it to a bug somewhere, before I got commit access. It might still work today (but probably not, with the addition of groups). —Simetrical (talk • contribs) 17:14, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
- Well, the other thing is, there's a difference between <ref> showing up unescaped, and <ref> - and since you can't have references within references (arguably a bug), you should really be using the latter anyway. --Random832 (contribs) 16:20, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] TfD nomination of Template:FootnotesSmall
Template:FootnotesSmall has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. — Rockfang (talk) 08:01, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] NYC Meetup: June 1, 2008
|
New York City Meetup
|
In the afternoon, we will hold a session dedicated to meta:Wikimedia New York City activities, elect a board of directors, and hold salon-style group discussions on Wikipedia and the other Wikimedia projects (see the last meeting's minutes).
We'll also review our recent Wikipedia Takes Manhattan event, and make preparations for our exciting successor Wiki Week bonanza, being planned with Columbia University students for September or October.
In the evening, we'll share dinner and chat at a local restaurant, and (weather permitting) hold a late-night astronomy event at Columbia's telescopes.
You can add or remove your name from the New York City Meetups invite list at Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Invite list.
Also, check out our regional US Wikimedia chapters blog Wiki Northeast (and we're open to guest posts).
This has been an automated delivery by BrownBot (talk) 00:39, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
