Talk:Simon de Montfort, 5th Earl of Leicester

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Contents 1 Refered to Moderator 2 Decapitation at Toulouse 3 Simon I de Montfort 4 The Maddicott reference

[edit] Refered to Moderator

The external link refers to a page which contains several very significant errors, compressing three generations of the subject and his family into two and mis-assigning the responsabilities for parliamentary democracy as a result. This has just been reported to the webmaster, if he does not react within a reasonable time I would suggest that the link be deleted.

[edit] Decapitation at Toulouse

Monfort was not merely "killed in June while fighting in a sortie." He was decapitated.

"A stone flew straight to its proper mark, and smote Count Simon upon his helm of steel, in such wise that his eyeballs, brains, teeth, skull, and jawbone all flew into pieces, and he fell down upon the ground stark dead, blackened and bloody."

reference: Chanson de la croisade contre les Albigeois, ed., P. Meyer, Société de l'historie de France, 2 Vols., Paris (1875 and 1879); and ed. with trans., M. Chabot, Tome I, Paris (1931), 205.8452-6

quoted in Massacre at Montsegur A History of the Albigensian Crusade, Zoe Oldenbourg, Dorset Press, New York 1961 (English translation by Peter Green) p. 198

This isn't 100% certain, because Peter of les Vaux-de-Cernay says that he said a prayer before dying. I think I believe the Chanson, however.

The following words in the article: " He was buried in the Monastery of Haute-Bruyère." are denied by both these contemporary sources, so I have taken them out. If there is evidence for this burial place after all, please reinsert the detail with a reference. Andrew Dalby 18:50, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Simon I de Montfort

I see new page was created earlier today, Simon I de Montfort. Is there a relationship and, if so, should Simon I de Montfort be added to the Simon de Montfort disambiguation page? Agent 86 01:10, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I'm not sure why this guy is titled at Leicester since the older dynasty is in Montfort. Simon I is his great-great-grandfather or something. Adam Bishop 02:18, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

I have serious reservations that Montfort was ever formally made the Count of Toulouse. Would some please reference it.

[edit] The Maddicott reference

Please explain why a biography that concerns the life of Simon de Montfort, 6th Earl of Leicester, is referenced for an article about Simon de Montfort, 5th Earl of Leicester. I'm going to mark that reference as disputed, but I'll be happy to remove the "disputed" tag if it can be satisfactorily explained why this reference is included.--Almirena 11:45, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

I note that someone has simply removed the "disputed" tag without posting here in the Talk section why this was done and addressing my concern that a biography about a different Simon de Montfort should be referenced. I have now removed the reference. I will be happy to see it returned if the person who does so can explain to me why this reference (about a different person) should be included. --Almirena 02:19, 6 October 2007 (UTC)