Talk:Simon Fraser, 15th Lord Lovat

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[edit] Mother tongue?

The article's introduction describes Gaelic as his "mother tongue". This is highly unlikely, unless both his parents, and the rest of the household, used only/primarily Gaelic in the home. Considering also that he was sent off to Ampleforth, presumably at a young age, English would certainly have been his first language as a child. --Mais oui! 20:24, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

If it's a big deal, I can ask some folks who knew him; I never had the privelege of asking the man, but a few of the Frasers here in California used to carry on with him. I entered that link quite awhile ago, as the man spoke Gaelic with his friends at home from what I recall, and he certainly considered himself to be a Gael. As well, Gaelic was the primary toungue of the majority of his ancestors, and those who held his position as MacShimidh before him, thus "mothertoungue" refers more so to his heritage than to the language he used. At any rate, it's not largely important. Image:Icons-flag-scotland.png Canæn Image:Icons-flag-scotland.png 07:12, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 15th or 17th Lord Lovat?

The introduction has both, should probably check which and fix that? Or explain it somehow sooner... I noticed his father had similar off-by-one in 'commonly known as'?131.207.236.198 11:26, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

The family was apparently stripped of the title for two generations, leading to some confusion over the exact numbering - he was 15 in law, but known as 17 as a courtesy to his ancestors. Drutt (talk) 12:08, 21 May 2008 (UTC)