Talk:Simo Häyhä
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[edit] toy?
I don't understand the sentence:
Besides his sniper kills, Simo Häyhä is known to have made well over two hundred kills with a machine gun, a toy which he was very fond of.
Was the machine gun a toy? Did he consider it a toy? As a reader, I was confused by that sentence, which I think is a good reason for revision. However, I have no knowledge on the subject. I hope somebody else fixes it.
--Rustam 20:39, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Although I am not sure whether or not Simo personally considered the machine guy a toy, the author wrote the phrase to show Simo's fondness for the gun, hence the term 'toy'. The gun was rather not a toy to be played around foolishly, but rather one that was used affectionedly. I hope that clarifies the sentence.
- If the author was correct and Häyhä did develop some kind of fondness for a particular type of weapon for whatever reason, it was still wrong to call it a toy. A toy isn't designated as such because it's an object of fondness but because it is primarily something to be played with. Guns aren't toys unless they are toy guns. 'Toy' in any other sense is colloquial and probably even wrong. Gest 08:40, 6 Aug 2004 (UTC)
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- My guess is that the author who wrote "toy" meant "apparatus", "object", or "machine", just didnt find the word for it. --kooo 07:40, 2004 Nov 23 (UTC)
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- I think a better word would be "tool" instead of "toy".
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- Maybe he just had a really old dictionary. "Toy" used to mean "object of affection", and not an object designed solely for play. People could be toys, even. However, it is not correct modern usage to use it that way. Identity0 09:34, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
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- A Toy is something you play around with, be it intended for play or not, be it serious buissness or not —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.161.106.195 (talk) 12:03, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Pronounciation of the name
How does one pronounce Simo Häyhä? --84.22.0.13 10:16, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
- Go to http://www.mikropuhe.com/demo.asp, then write "Simo Häyhä" to the white blank box, and click "Kuuntele puhe" -> You'll hear how the name is pronounced in Finnish. --213.186.255.129 18:59, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] White Death
If you go to the article white death, it redirects to the Great White Shark page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by KSava (talk • contribs) 20:37, 3 February 2007 (UTC).
[edit] Kill record unique?
The article says that 5 kills a day is unique, but Vasily Zaitsev's article says that he killed 225 from 10/11/42 to 17/12/42, which is 6 per day. Furthermore, that article also says that "Zaytsev's remarkable performance was not unique" even amongst the Red Army. Häyhä's rate of kills per hour of sunlight may well be unmatched, but "many" of 505 over 100 days is not, or at least is contradicted elsewhere on Wikipedia. I'm wondering if this article has been the subject of uber-sniper fans or nationalist Finns using incorrect superlatives or simply needs to be better written and sourced. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 172.188.245.218 (talk) 14:21, 20 February 2007 (UTC).
- Vasily Zaitsev killed 6 per day during the Battle of Stalingrad which was only part of his career. Simo Hayna 5 kills per day were over his whole time in the field so I feel it is definitely worth mentioning. This point is strengthened by the fact that it was worth mentioning the number of kills and the time range for Zaitsev although they didn't do they division for you it must have been notable to mention. Its kind of like comparing maintain a .330 batting average for a career and a .340 for a couple of seasons. I feel it should stay. Sean0987 (talk) 20:44, 4 June 2008 (UTC)Sean0987
[edit] "Many" should be "all"
Yes, it should be "All" of his 500+ kills happened during less than 100 day period. The Winter War lasted only for about 100 days and Häyhä was wounded before the war ended. So it was actually less than 100 day period.
- That is correct, the Winter War lasted 105 days and Häyhä was wounded 7 days before the war ended. So all of his kills happened during less than 100 days time. --Ekeb 16:06, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
if these figures are correct, then i accept them--Manwithbrisk 17:45, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Digg
Hit front page, incoming spammers! Lock this page! Troysteinbauer (talk) 00:12, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
Where are the citations for his 505 kills, or almost everything else on this page? People are citing this as fact on digg. Is it? Somebody needs to verify this information and cleanup the article. - Noj r (talk) 00:38, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
Party pooper. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.245.64.74 (talk) 10:28, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
